Looks like Rudy Giuliani really did give up Donald Trump

When it was first reported that Rudy Giuliani had conducted a proffer interview with Jack Smith and his DOJ team, it was a remarkable if perhaps predictable development. Rudy is a conspiracy theorist nutcase, but he was probably always going to end up selling out Donald Trump to try to save himself. He even once publicly bragged that he would do so if necessary, then claimed he’d merely been joking.

But now it looks like the joke is on Trump. The Wall Street Journal says that Giuliani’s proffer interview lasted a whopping eight hours. This suggests that he was giving the kind of detailed, useful answers that Jack Smith wanted to hear and considered valuable. If Rudy had merely been giving curt non-answers to most questions, or if he’d been babbling so incoherently that interrogators kept cutting him off, the interview might have lasted two hours, not eight.

So now we wait. Last week the Independent reported the DOJ is planning to hit Rudy Giuliani with some reduced charges even after his proffer session, but this reporting has not yet been confirmed elsewhere. There’s no way to know yet whether or not Giuliani has entered into some kind of formal cooperation deal after his proffer interview. These kinds of things don’t tend to come out publicly until the main target (in this case Trump) has been charged. But eight hours of testimony is enough to strongly suggest that Giuliani really did give up Trump in the hope of saving himself.