You’re not just imagining it: the Hillary Clinton vs Donald Trump vote totals do look rigged

As a political journalist, I hate empty conspiracy theories. I like to go where the bulk of the evidence is pointing. So even though I’m as shocked at Donald Trump’s victory over Hillary Clinton as anyone else, I have been unwilling to preemptively accuse the vote totals of having been rigged or altered. It’s taken me nine days of looking at the numbers and trends and patterns, but I’ve come to the conclusion that for once, the conspiracy theorists appear to have been right: this election looks rigged.

There is no single smoking gun in the voting results which led me to this conclusion of its own accord. Rather it’s the totality of all of what I’m about to lay out which has led me to the conclusion that there was indeed something fishy with the numbers, the sheer number of highly unlikely red flags. So bear with me as I lay out a mountain of evidence.

What first made me suspicious was the notably low general election voter turnout. Pundits have explained that away by pointing out that Clinton’s favorability rating was fairly low and Trump’s was even lower. But throughout the primary season, the American voters made clear that they very much wanted to turn out for or against these two candidates. And despite all the talk about favorability, these two candidates each got millions more primary votes than any of their challengers. So the notion that the 2016 election would receive two and a half million fewer votes than the 2012 election, which most Americans considered to be a far less consequential election, is odd. But the demographic breakdowns are what truly raise eyebrows.

Some have pointed to voter suppression in certain swing states as the supposed reason for lower voter turnout. But the 2012 election was subject to the same kinds of suppression. And for that matter, so were the 2016 primary contests. Despite the voter purging and long lines, we saw African-Americans in southern states come out of the woodwork to vote for Hillary Clinton in the 2016 democratic primary, even though they didn’t necessarily dislike Bernie Sanders. But according to the official tallies, those same African-Americans in North Carolina suddenly decided they no longer cared if Hillary Clinton won the 2016 general election, even though she was now facing an opponent in Donald Trump whom they viewed as an abhorrent racist.

Other states and other demographics raise other red flags. For instance, somewhere around seventy percent of all the votes cast in the 2016 general election in Florida were cast early. Various exit polls pointed to Hillary Clinton receiving as somewhere between 54% and 59% of the Florida early vote, much of it from Hispanic-Americans. That meant Trump would have had to have received somewhere between 59% and 71% of the election day voting in Florida in order to have caught up and tied the state. He would have needed between 62% and 74% of the election day vote to have won it by the one percent overall margin he supposedly won it by.

Although democrats tend to do somewhat better in early voting and republicans tend to do somewhat better on election day, it’s virtually impossible for Trump to have come back and won Florida after it was already basically in the bag for Clinton before election day even arrived. See my full mathematical breakdown for Florida voting in the middle of this article for why he simply couldn’t have come back to even tie up Florida, let alone win it.

There has also been much made of how the polls ended up being so wrong. Having spent the past year and a half observing the polls in this election, I fully agree that it’s easy for one or two polls to end up being very wrong. We saw it all the time in the primary season. But historically speaking, going back through the eighty years in which presidential polling has been conducted, it’s virtually impossible for the polling averages to have been this thoroughly wrong. In fact the last time they got a Presidential general election wrong outside the margin of error was in 1948 – and polling was unsophisticated crap back then.

But nevermind the overwhelmingly unlikely odds of the 2016 polling averages having been wrong. The more immediate trend is one which we saw during the primary season. In any given hotly contested primary state, Donald Trump tended to perform the same as, or worse than, his polling averages. We saw it in his very first contest in Iowa, where he shockingly lost despite being favored. We saw it again in Wisconsin and other states. In contrast, Hillary Clinton tended to perform about the same as, or better than, her polling averages in most states. For instance she was favored to win South Carolina by around twenty points and she won it by more than forty points.

In a general election matchup between one candidate who had spent the past year underperforming his poll numbers, and one candidate who had spent the year outperforming her polls numbers, the logically expected outcome is that Hillary Clinton would have won by the same amount she was ahead in the polling averages or more. Now she did win the popular vote in the general election by around one percent. But logically, based on the final polling averages and the existing pattern observed in the primaries, she should have won it by four points or more.

Finally, there were four swing states in which Hillary Clinton was definitively favored to win, but she ended up losing: Florida, Wisconsin, Pennsylvnia, and Michigan. In the final tallies she lost each of them by right around one percent of the vote. That’s not how numbers work. If Trump had won those four states legitimately due to pockets of voters that pollsters didn’t know about, we would have seen a more random dispersion of the results. Trump might have won one of those states by four percent, won another of them by two percent, lost another one percent, and so on.

It is statistically suspicious that in every state where Donald Trump pulled off an upset, he won it by right around one percent, just what he needed to win it, no more and no less. Results don’t naturally play out that way. The final tallies in Florida, Wisconsin, Pennsylvnia, and Michigan read like someone went through and nudged each of them just over the mark so Trump would win them, but didn’t want to arouse too much suspicion by giving him any larger of a victory in those states than he needed.

So where does all of the above get us? It’s a mountain of statistical and mathematical and logical and demographic discrepancy and suspicion and nothing more. I can’t definitively prove that the vote tallies were rigged. And as a practical matter it would be so tricky for a hacker to rig the results in various states, without any of the local precinct overseers catching on, that no one has even been able to posit a plausible method for pulling it off. But still, these things can’t all have legitimately happened.

In order to believe that the official vote tallies are legitimate, you have to accept that all of the above legitimately happened: African-Americans in the south went from turning out in droves for Hillary Clinton in the primary to not caring if she won the general election. Donald Trump got sixty-something percent of the same-day voting in Florida. The polling averages were wrong for the first time in modern history. Trump beat his poll numbers despite having spent the primary season tending to fall below them. Clinton fell below her poll numbers despite having spent the primary season tending to beat them. In every state where Trump pulled off a shocking upset victory, he just happened to do it with one percent of the vote. And in an election that everyone cared particularly deeply about, no one really turned out to vote at all. I can accept any one of the above things happening as an isolated fluke. I cannot accept all the above happening. And so for once in my evidence-driven career, I’m left to believe that the conspiracy theorists are right: the vote tallies are rigged.


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243 Comments

  1. Mike Trammel on November 17, 2016 at 6:38 pm

    How does one start the investigation without being accused of sour grapes

    • Linda on November 18, 2016 at 3:44 am

      Those sour grapes will become fine wine once the conspiracy is proven.

      • Marie on November 21, 2016 at 9:36 pm

        Trump would have been the first one to say it was rigged,if he lost.

        • Tlee on November 25, 2016 at 9:12 pm

          He said it was rigged all along. .. where were you?

      • Robin Messing on November 21, 2016 at 11:58 pm

        One thing you can bet on. Just raising this subject will bring up a fine whine from Trump supporters

    • Dr. Meg Brindle on November 18, 2016 at 5:36 am

      Don’t worry about being accused of ‘sour grapes,’ — too much at stake. Or, as I like to quip, the grapes are going to be really sour when, under a Trump regime, unions are dismantled; minimum wage is frozen; and millions are deported. Being called names is the least of our worries. This is really serious.

      • Mark on November 20, 2016 at 4:28 pm

        Not to mention Obama’s supreme court pick stolen and given to Trump. And of course Lyin’ Ryan going full steam ahead with voucherizing medicare and privatizing social security.

    • Barbara on November 19, 2016 at 7:25 pm

      It didn’t work out in ks when a statistician asked for the voting records in the governor’s election. We are still stuck with the most unpopular governor in the US and I know no one who voted for him!

    • Roger Frary on November 21, 2016 at 7:51 am

      What would DJT have done if he had lost???

      • Tom on November 24, 2016 at 12:14 pm

        He’d be calling the system rigged and saying he’s gonna sue somebody!

    • Hata H. Zappa on November 22, 2016 at 5:38 pm

      Why should one care about accusations of sour grapes, if the truth is truth?

    • Samantha Vimes on November 22, 2016 at 6:52 pm

      Don’t care about accusations– if you know how to start the investigation at all, do so.

  2. Mike Trammel on November 17, 2016 at 6:40 pm

    Who initiates the investigation?

    • Judy on November 17, 2016 at 10:18 pm

      Certainly NOT Comey

      • katie on November 18, 2016 at 9:19 am

        I’ve been told that Comey declared that he didn’t want to get involved in any investigations regarding trump as it may interfere with the election. Hmm, and the director of the FBI doesn’t see the irony there?!!!

  3. maggie harper on November 17, 2016 at 7:02 pm

    I have yet to see a logical explanation as to why so so so many polls were wrong. And I’ve never been a conspiracy theorist whack job. But his election? WTF? Something needs to be investigated, at the very least.

    • Mary Kay Thompson on November 18, 2016 at 6:55 am

      Looking at this article it seems self-evident that the polls looks wrong because of the tampering.

      • carolyn beane on November 19, 2016 at 5:25 pm

        why aren’t they doing a recount or investigation…who has to initiate it…does Obama start the process….

      • Sarah on November 23, 2016 at 12:21 am

        Why on earth would the polls be tampered with? Please do explain what purpose that would serve for the people doing the rigging? As I see it, it would be self defeating to profess a candidate is favored to win when they actually weren’t.

        • Joel Hildebrandt on November 25, 2016 at 10:44 pm

          They actually were favored to win, and many of us believe they actually DID win – if by they you mean Clinton. Exit polls are used in most countries to determine whether an election was held fairly. In our swing states: WI, PA, FL, NC… the exit polls disagree with the “actual” vote tallies. Instead of just shrugging and saying, Oh, the exit polls must be wrong we need to look at the possibility of whether, and how the vote tallies could be wrong. The polls were not tampered with – You are right, that makes no sense. The election likely was tampered with.

    • Brandon Russell on November 18, 2016 at 7:26 am

      In Shelby County v. Holder (2013), the U.S. Supreme Court struck down the coverage formula as unconstitutional, beacuse in their view, racism no longer was an issue. Even though Section 5 remains, it is essentially unenforceable without the coverage formula stipulated in Section 4.

      The Supreme Court decision went 5-4, with Ginsberg, Breyer, Sotomayor, and Kagan all dissenting.

      Even with Section 4, The VRA has been subject to gerrymandering to disenfranchise minority voters which is a clear violation of the 15th amendment and simply proves that racism is not dead.

      On the back of this ruling, a system called the Interstate Voter Registration Crosscheck Program was initiated. The idea was that it would stop election fraud and dual voting. There are over 7 million people on this list, most of them with common last names associated with minorities (Park, Rodriguez, Washington, Jackson). White Americans are profiled less than 10% of the time. Crosscheck is meant to determine if the same voter voted in multiple places. It does this by checking the First, last and middle name along with date of birth and the last four of social. Documents show that the only criteria being used is first and last name, hence the 7 million people on the list who are not able to vote.

      Given this election was as close at it was, this seems to be a horrible violation of voters constitutional rights.

      Crosscheck in action:
      Trump victory margin in Michigan: 13,107
      Michigan Crosscheck purge list: 449,922
      Electoral Votes: 16

      Trump victory margin in Arizona: 85,257
      Arizona Crosscheck purge list: 270,824
      Electoral Votes: 11

      Trump victory margin in North Carolina: 177,008
      North Carolina Crosscheck purge list: 589,393
      Electoral Votes: 15

      Assuming Clinton could swing these states with voters on the Crosscheck list being able to vote, she would win the Whitehouse (and thats not counting other states that are just as close).

      • Shel on November 20, 2016 at 2:35 pm

        Arizona is still counting ballots as of a couple of days ago. Contrary to cnn’s election night nonsense about early ballot totals, Arizona counts early ballots last. The Maricopa county recorder who caused the hours long lines by closing most of the voting locations for the primary has been replaced at least. There miiiiiight be a bright spot there for the future. We’ll see. The voter roll purges had a hand in this as you say.

    • linda on November 18, 2016 at 12:06 pm

      I’m no spring chicken, and I have never, ever, seen an election of any type where the polling was this off, consistently, across the board.

      • Barbara on November 21, 2016 at 8:44 am

        According to the United Nations, when exit polls radically conflict with vite counts, it is the sign of electoral fraud. Just what we have herw…

    • Melissa on November 21, 2016 at 6:57 pm

      I’m not as mathematically driven as the article, but I’m also not a conspiracy theorist. I just think there were some really weird things the campaign said that would have been okay, except that they were unusually accurate.

      Like KellyAnne Conway saying, “We told you there was a hidden layer of voters. We told you the polls were wrong. We told you.” – how would they know that? How COULD they? They, who started being political 365 days ago, knew better than EVERYBODY ELSE in politics, including 40+ year veterans of elections – that there was a “hidden layer of voters” who would turn out and upset the polls? And it was true?

      Or… when the Rust Belt States flipped, the news anchors kept saying, “Trump told us he would win by turning the Rust Belt States. He told us that was his plan. He would do it. And he was right.” And I kept thinking, how was he right? How is that even possible? CNN said that the odds of ALL of the Rust Belt states (historically blue states) flipping to red for the first time in sometimes 40 years was Powerball Lottery statistics.

      Powerball Lottery odds: 1 in 292 million.

      That may have been hyperbole, but most politicians would never have even campaigned that heavily in reliably blue states, nevermind believe so confidently that this would be their reliable path to win. But the Trump campaign was absolutely sure that this would happen? How?

      It’s almost like their absurdly confident, spoken statements could have just been seen as wild guesses, except that they were all statistically unlikely and yet turned out to be true.

      How were they such fortune tellers, and the rest of the United States was so in the dark? Beginner’s luck?

    • Donna Sweeney on November 24, 2016 at 6:09 pm

      Right on. Too suspicious

  4. D smith on November 17, 2016 at 7:02 pm

    So how do we get a physical accounting of the votes

  5. Ryan H. Adams on November 17, 2016 at 7:07 pm

    How would we figure it out then Bill? What would be a way to figure out if Florida’s results are accurate?

  6. Gabe on November 17, 2016 at 7:27 pm

    Mr. Palmer, thank you. I am not and actually detest conspiracy theorist. But on this one, I am with you and others. I thought the exact same thing the day after. All of the polls showed Hillary winning, especially in the 4 states you mentioned by a wide margin. Now we add your findings and it makes it even more suspicious. I would like to add something else to this. I watched I think on MSNBC or CNN where they were filming Trump at a rally a few days before the election. He specifically stated of each state you mentioned, how he heard he was ahead in those states even though all of the polls showed he was behind. He even went as far as to say he was really far ahead in Florida. Now, let me say this, I remembered this because he did this a few times during the debates or rallies where he said something about stuff coming up about Hillary and sure enough, a few days later, email dumps came out. Again, not a loon and I am a facts based kind of guy but, this is just to mind boggling. Individual audit of the votes is what is needed in my opinion..

    • Bonnie F AuBuchon on November 17, 2016 at 9:35 pm

      Not to mention Guiliani leaking information. This needs to be investigated NOW.

    • Patrick Eastin on November 17, 2016 at 11:03 pm

      Two words: Rudy Giuliani

    • Goldilocks on November 18, 2016 at 2:14 am

      I’m with you here. Everything you have mentioned is true. Trump and his team were just too confident going into this election when all the polls were showing him behind. Trump even said if he doesn’t win then the election is rigged. That’s because he knew it was being rigged for him. Therefore, if Hillary had win the rig would have to supersede their riggings.

      • Carol on November 20, 2016 at 6:15 pm

        He said there would be a big surprise…with his lack of self control, as witnessed on twitter, you could see his cockiness, he was having a hard time sitting on the fact that he already knew he would win.

      • Susan silva on November 21, 2016 at 7:48 am

        Yeah…and then the comment way before the election that the new president would pick Supreme Court…….

    • Cindy on November 18, 2016 at 4:33 am

      The nite before the election that smug Kellyanne Conway saying ‘we’re gonna win, you’ll see’. Makes one wonder what they knew

      • Anne on November 19, 2016 at 9:07 am

        I agree I mentioned this to my friends. I thought Conway seemed overly confident.

      • Kevin M. Hagerman on December 3, 2016 at 7:32 am

        On the other hand, though, you always project confidence to avoid discouraging your voters
        – and Trump’s team was NOTABLY deluded. They could have simply been deluded about something they were actually right about.

    • Greg on November 18, 2016 at 7:17 am

      Also curious how many voting stations were open in urban areas vs. the primary? Since the voting is handled by the party that controls the state, just curious if the amount of available places to where you could vote went down between the primaries and final election, if so this would make the turn out extremely hard for many Americans.

      • Chris Dreyfus on November 20, 2016 at 6:54 pm

        Right there is reason enough to be suspicious. In our country we have an independent statutory body called the Electoral Commision. It can’t, by law, have any connection to the government, state or federal.

      • Amy on November 20, 2016 at 9:28 pm

        I live in a low income area and after switching voting locations my wait to vote went from 10 minutes to one and a half hours

    • lisa on November 20, 2016 at 9:12 am

      Everything he accuses others of, he is, himself, doing. So, I think I’d start to look into what was happening behind the scenes in the weeks immediately preceding his commencing to yammer on about the election being rigged.

    • Kaija on November 21, 2016 at 6:49 am

      And that’s not even mentioning the fact that there were several Trump supporters who got caught attempting to vote more than once. I’m not sure what the likelihood of those people falling through the cracks is, but it doesn’t seem too crazy when you add in the evidence presented in this article.

    • Nancy Pehrsson on November 21, 2016 at 1:54 pm

      I agree with you, I saw that too but let me add that a few weeks before the election he said, “Hillary, we have a surprise for you right before the election!” Might that have been Comey? I think they worked that out too in advance!!!

    • Grenay on November 21, 2016 at 8:19 pm

      I totally agree…I smell a RAT

    • Dave Eckstrom on November 22, 2016 at 5:49 pm

      Bannon called out these states as ones that Trump would win, against all logic and polling, long before the election. Just sayin’

      • Catherine on November 23, 2016 at 12:34 am

        And he rushed to some of those places at the very end of his campaign, just to make it look good and more consistent. When he had ignored them–mostly, anyway –his entire campaign. Fishy.

    • Louise Loyer on November 22, 2016 at 8:08 pm

      Gabe. the same thing came to mind after the election. I watched Trump saying that he was ahead by a large margin in the swing states when at least 10 of the most serious political polls released on Nov. 7, and almost each day before the election, showing that Hillary was ahead by an average of 4 points almost everywhere. On Nov. 8, I could not believe the results.It came to mind that Giuliani was also in this scam by announcing a very big surprise. In my mind it was the FBI re-opening the investigation on Hillary’s emails 11 days before the election. I was wrong! The big surprise was Trump’s win. In this conspiracy, just few people knew about it: Giuliani (the one who has initiated this conspiracy, Conway, Trump for sure and maybe few more people. In my opinion this election was rigged in Trump’s favor.

      • Christina L Atteridge on November 23, 2016 at 11:03 am

        And Putin wanted him to win… And he even congratulated him, after!

  7. Wylie on November 17, 2016 at 7:35 pm

    But can anything be done? Can an investigation be launched?

    • Jennifer on November 17, 2016 at 9:32 pm

      Can someone draft a petition to the White House. If it gets 100k signatures, they HAVE to look at it. I’m not great at writing so someone needs to do this who is a better wordsmith than I.

      • Brandon Elliott on November 18, 2016 at 12:11 am

        I can totally do that and was just thinking about it. I am good with words and can do that.

        • Tommye Lavender on November 18, 2016 at 11:23 pm

          You do that and I will sign and pass it on!

          • carolyn beane on November 19, 2016 at 5:40 pm

            me too



        • Kenneth Todd on November 20, 2016 at 3:16 pm

          Well, let’s get started, times a wasting

        • Wendy Herman on November 22, 2016 at 7:56 am

          Please add my name to any & all ANTI-Trump petitions, or let me know how to add it myself. This election result is revolting, esp. now that he’s placing overtly racist & sexist people on his staff. We CANNOT let this happen to our country. If we do, we’ll see the end of Democracy as we know it, replaced by more corruption in politics than we’ve ever seen before (which is REALLY saying something). So, DO count me in!

      • Dr. Meg Brindle on November 18, 2016 at 5:41 am

        HI Jennifer, There is a petition on “We the People” regarding Admiral Mike Rogers, head of the NSA going public on Russian hacking in several states. That is highly unusual for the head of NSA to say such a thing. A petition requires a certain number of signatures to go to the White House. It may be worth signing that one, and seeing if there is already one started on this. Also, Truthdig has a 4 page article by a guy who has been studying polling/elections for 10 years and Mike Palmer’s opinion/research is consistent with others who are concluding similar, intelligent analyses. Best.

    • Deb on November 18, 2016 at 4:10 pm

      Watch the HBO documentary “Hacking Democracy” from 2011…and that’s your answer

  8. Ben on November 17, 2016 at 8:34 pm

    What got my attention is Hillary was getting some GOP support in Texas but none in those 4 battleground states. Then the Trump team is shocked. With so much at stake, there are motives to cheat.

    • claudette pinet on November 20, 2016 at 5:16 pm

      I am shore he did rigged the election it’s not fair ,,,,the GOP were not for him but now that
      he rigged the three House they all over him like he is God to get the three house for them
      it is insane he is getting all those dummy in there with him ……his kids don’t belong there at all……

  9. Alex on November 17, 2016 at 8:35 pm

    It’s not who voted that counts, it’s who counts the votes

    • Sluggo on November 20, 2016 at 1:55 pm

      Just examine the vote counting software……Oh, right, it’s proprietary, we’re not allowed to see it.

  10. clint on November 17, 2016 at 8:57 pm

    Trump orginization had been in contact with a russian bank server with some form of encrypted/undefined message service, on a supposed unused server in trump tower months before the election. Hes is married to someone from a country where russians are known to have rigged an election. I kept saying that night she just needs 60,000 votes in those states, im sure you are right about these numbers. Trump is a terrible choice for president. The man can help but tell on himself.

  11. Billy Bob Bodine on November 17, 2016 at 9:11 pm

    so wonder how trump feels being one of the most despised people in America?
    Clinton with 62,403,269 votes to 61,242,652 for Trump and HE claims the election would be rigged

    • California Dreamer on November 21, 2016 at 2:33 pm

      He was “projecting” throughout the campaign. If he talked about the election being rigged against him, chances are it was rigged against Hillary. Conflicts of interest with the Foundations? His was a proven sham, but he convinced his minions hers was corrupt. Unsecured server? He’s making phone calls Andy meeting with business and foreign dignitaries at Trump Tower on his cell phone. I am not a conspiracy theorist and hate the loons on Alex Jones, but this is so fishy. He’s not going to divest his businesses and he’s going to rake the country over the coals. He’s surrounding himself with people who lobbied for Turkey and Russia. This stinks to high heaven.

  12. JOAN on November 17, 2016 at 9:13 pm

    But … the last week was when Comey was influencing events and the fake “Hillary murdered everyone” news was going bananas. How to investigate?

  13. Edward Murray on November 17, 2016 at 10:04 pm

    There are probably two ways to further validate the votes. The first is comparing exit polls with voter totals and the second, looking at the number of votes that were disallowed in each state sub unit to see if there is systematic invalidation of votes in certain counties and not others.

    • Dianne on November 23, 2016 at 4:23 am

      I agree. I live in a pretty conservative area in a safely Dem state, but on Election Day I saw (I was an election judge for my polling place) a LOT of people coming in who seemed to be supporting Dems. But then there were tons of issues with our machines—voters in our state do a paper ballot and then run it through a machine to count the totals, and for the first half of the day, we had a machine that would require people to run it through multiple times before it was accepted. This at the busiest time of Election Day. Then, they brought in a new machine and spent a couple hours in the middle of the day setting it up, having anyone who came to vote in that time just stick their ballot in a safe box on the side with a promise that they’d run it later. I asked at the end of the day whether we will had to run those through, assuming our manager at that location would’ve waited until no more voters were coming in to use the machine, and was told it had already been done…Except, I was in the same room with that machine all day except for one half hour in which I ate lunch, and I never saw them run them through. Sure, it’s possible that they did it during that one half hour.. But again, that was at a very busy time in the day. Why would they have done it then? And many of the judges at my polling place had specified Republican, so it’s not like they would’ve voiced their concerns… And then at the end of the day, we are supposed to check whether the amount of people who checked in matches the amount of ballots that were given out, to account for every ballot. Now I know this number would not have matched up anyways, as some of the older judges at the ballot table messed up spoiled ballot procedure and would just give someone a new ballot when they spoiled one rather than requiring another ticket from the voter services table like they are supposed to. We were fully expecting to have to explain that in the final write up of the numbers. Yet somehow, at the end of the day, it turns out that the check in numbers haven’t been syncing to the voter services computer where they’re supposed to be, and so we didn’t have to do anything because they didn’t have the check in number. Seemed awfully odd considering that the voter services judge was doing pretty much nothing all day until the end when we had some voters come in who needed to register to vote still…shouldn’t be have noticed that the check in totals weren’t coming in sometime during the massive influx in the morning? And had something done about it then? At the end of the day when the vote totals went up for the polling place, one of the three precincts was pretty solidly Trump.. but the other two had had so many Dems come in that it was a pretty close race. Our Dem senator won those two precincts.. Yet somehow Clinton lost both by a margin of around 12 votes. Unusual? I think so.
      In addition, the Republican I was paired with at the ballot table kept asking people their names from the ticket just to ‘confirm it was them’. Despite the fact that any fraud would be caught at the check in table where people receive their ticket, and despite the fact that our state does not legally require any additional ID beyond a signature given at the check in table to confirm identity. (He even tried to have a discussion with me about how one voter who dressed in the hipster style would’ve ‘gotten beat up for looking like that’ back in his day—while the voter was still in the polling place a few feet away casting his vote.) The people he ‘confirmed’ all seemed to have something in common too… More boisterous white people or those who announced their support for Trump in some way weren’t checked, while POC or white people appearing more liberal often were. Many of those he ‘confirmed’ also still had their ID out after leaving the check in table, while none he didn’t check did. Now maybe they didn’t realize they didn’t need their ID and it was a simple mistake on their part, as I didn’t have a clear view of the check in table from my place… But it seems odd that none of the whiter, more openly Republican voters would’ve made this mistake. It is entirely possible that the check in table was requiring ID of certain voters, against the laws of our state.
      As I said at the beginning, this is a state that’s pretty solidly Democrat, and it went Democrat again this election, so there wasn’t a huge effect from these missteps. But what if other states, less solid states, had these same issues? Voter intimidation through unequal ID checks / outright intimidation combined with conveniently non-functional machines could have EASILY led to the sort of voter fraud we’re talking about here. And the scariest part? There’d be no way to check. The check in totals aren’t there to show any record, and any recounting / rechecking of the ballots would be done by the manager of the polling place. Not exactly a trustworthy source.

  14. Katherine Dooley on November 17, 2016 at 10:25 pm

    Florida was definitely rigged! People reported on video to warn voters that the machines were jumping from Hillary to Trump during early voting here in Florida. They said right before they cast their ballot they had to use the pen on the machine to change it from Trump back to Hillary. When they reported it to the poll person they said the machine needed to be calibrated and she would fix it. Yeah, right! Our governor got caught throwing out mail in ballots in 2012 election, and was only reprimanded by the judge.

    • Carol on November 20, 2016 at 6:33 pm

      Pennsylvania was Clinton, but she lost it because of the number of third party votes…hard to believe that many people didn’t vote D or R.

    • Bigdogbarking on November 22, 2016 at 3:34 pm

      I lived in Florida for more than 20 yrs and was there in 2000: that was a con job and this is too!

  15. Peter on November 17, 2016 at 10:39 pm

    I have followed all the polls, the pundits, who by the way can’t explain the oddity of Trump’s win, as well as a Scientist who appeared on the Lawrence O Donnell Show on MSNBC, who gave one of the best explanation for a HRC win. AND YET the polls and exit polls are not adding up? Take a look at the % that Trump won by? The same 1 %? WHY did all THE EXPERTS GET IT WRONG? Why did Cable news and Networks get it wrong? WHY is the NSA saying its rigged? If it smells rotten, something is foul behind the wall?

  16. Patrick Eastin on November 17, 2016 at 10:47 pm

    To add, I find it interesting if not ironic how often in the last few weeks Trump referred to a general election loss for him would be the result of a rigged election or some sort of rigging …

    • Joyce Davenport on November 18, 2016 at 8:55 am

      We already know everything he accuses her of doing he does, lies, cheats, is crooked and a criminal. He is the one to suggest rigging.

    • Karen M. on November 18, 2016 at 4:14 pm

      This is a common behavior of narcissists. When they complain that something bad is happening or accuse others of fraud, they are often describing exactly what THEY are in fact doing. It is a form.of projection.

      • Mirna on November 20, 2016 at 11:03 am

        Yes. Exactly. And the accusation of Hillary being on drugs? When he looked himself like he has snorted too much coke before the debates, all that sniffing.

      • Byron Carrier on November 23, 2016 at 4:45 pm

        Projection is accusing the other of what one can’t admit about them self. We set up “no-fly” zones in Iraq that we then flew in. Then we attacked them with actual weapons, inflicting massive destruction, while accusing them of having weapons of mass destruction. I call it “attacking with defensiveness.” So when liberals are accused of waging a culture war, watch out, for the right is not only waging such a war, they’re winning it.

    • Carol on November 20, 2016 at 6:34 pm

      Because he was already in

  17. Patrick Eastin on November 17, 2016 at 10:58 pm

    To add to this discussion , I would like to know why exit polling data does not reflect the number of voters that “changed their minds” during to the timing of the Comey letter as there were, what ? 9 days, 11 days when he publicized what he did and election day. Or is that info out there and I just haven’t seen it ? I am honestly not convinced what Comey did cost Clinton the election (I need exit poll data, proof etc …) but it sure as hell HAD to have impacted voters simply because of the higher percentage female voters Trump got (53%) to Clintons (43%) THAT disparity does not make sense. I must also add that I was very surprised at voter turnout which was at approximately 46%., awfully low, I feel, for the whole election, primaries and general, went.

    • Mike Trammel on November 18, 2016 at 12:33 pm

      Like NFL football, they need to throw the red challenge flag before the other team gets a play off (inauguration)!

  18. Wanda on November 17, 2016 at 11:21 pm

    How do we start this investigation? This news should be on CNN and other channels. After all, the media posted supposed news that never happened…i

  19. Jeff on November 18, 2016 at 12:06 am

    Time to investigate Trump lover, Facebook backer and Paypal creator Peter Thiel….who also happens to run a super secret web security firm with government contacts! He must be involved in this and providing the Russians with unprecedented access to Facebook.

  20. Karen on November 18, 2016 at 1:41 am

    He gave a hint to this in one of his rallies telling his supporters of voter fraud and rigging of the election.

  21. Margaret Runge on November 18, 2016 at 4:29 am

    There’s something else. On the night of the election Trump tweeted that his friends and family were all gathered to see the election results and they were all very excited. But the next day his surrogates insisted that he was surprised and overwhelmed that he had won and that he didn’t expect it. Then why would he gather family and friends together just to see him lose? Doesn’t really make sense, does it?

    • Carol on November 20, 2016 at 6:43 pm

      On one of the news programs, they showed this huge cake being transported to the site of the so called party. The cake looked exactly like Trump in his blue suit, red tie. Yes, Tuesday morning they already knew it was a victory celebration. While watching this go down, I had a very bad feeling. Now I know why.

  22. Mvdw on November 18, 2016 at 5:21 am

    I also think it is strange that Republican Senators who were losing by a large majority in the polls won!! Wisconsin’s Ron Johnson is one example. Even Republicans can’t stand that man, yet he won the election.

  23. Michae on November 18, 2016 at 5:23 am

    People should not just speculate here – do something. Contact bigger medias since you guys have the connections. Make headlines. Start a petition. Contact the FBI although in this situation that might first sound like a bad choice. Contact lawyers who are willing to take a look at the case. Make your voice heard. Do not just write – and comment here like I do 🙂 But I am from another country so there is nothing I can do about it. You guys can. This is about the future of your country. And the future of the whole world.

    • Tara on November 18, 2016 at 4:12 pm

      Emails do nothing. Call Senators, sign “we the people” petiton. Call John Kerry, John McCain, Lindsey Graham, NSA, FBI, DOJ phones ringing best way to make things happen. #AuditTheVote

  24. Sam on November 18, 2016 at 5:45 am

    He is a idiot with known ties to the mob and Russia what are American people thinking ?

  25. Frank H on November 18, 2016 at 5:57 am

    I would add all the times near the end of the campaign that Trump warned the election would be rigged. Given his habit of accusing of others of what is manifestly true about himself, were his warnings of a stolen election really self-revealing?

  26. Cheryl on November 18, 2016 at 6:00 am

    I’ve been saying this. NC managed to unseat a sitting Republican governor and voted for Democratic governor and Attorney General, but went red? I don’t think so. Something isn’t right.

    • Jasper on November 20, 2016 at 10:37 pm

      Well, I’m in NC and we usually go Red at the Presidential level except in 2008…AND McCrory as well as Buck Netwon lost a lot of fans over their dogged defense of the ridiculous HB2, so if anything, I expected more Democrats to wint the state races. But NC historically has been Red at the top and then Blue at the state offices (2012 being an exception–but even then, most of the state races went Democratic except the legislature which was gerrymandered).

      Of course, now McCrory is doing everything in his power to overturn these results, so we will see…why are os many Republican politicians such slimeballs!

    • phylis on November 22, 2016 at 7:34 pm

      N.C governor LOST, number of losing votes climbing daily. Yet Mc crory keeps insisting on a recount, like he can’t believe he REALLY lost. 80,00 votes were not counted on election day, considered “conditional” votes??? Shouldn’t Dems get the same recount? After all, what are the chances of the senate, the house and 2/3 of the elected governors are ALL republicans?

  27. Yuris Mangolds on November 18, 2016 at 6:05 am

    I also felt something wasn’t adding up while watching the election (particularly with the swing states consistently winning for trump by a very slight amount). But the more I think about it the more unsure I am since a consistent 1% seems too sloppy for a rig by Russia (which is smarter then that)… Unless they intentionally wanted to raise suspicion…

  28. Shane on November 18, 2016 at 6:06 am

    You only have to hack one computer, The one that tabulated all the votes from the precincts.

    • M Hinkson on November 20, 2016 at 5:56 am

      So that’s the one to be investigated in every state with a shock result. Or is it too late already and the evidence of tampering reversed?

  29. Dan on November 18, 2016 at 6:13 am

    Don’t just let this drop. If the count was rigged, there will be clear signs. You need a forensic statistician- a team of them – to investigate the tallies. If you are right, they will be able to find out what happened.

  30. Cindy on November 18, 2016 at 6:15 am

    I thought the exact same thing about 4 days after the election . I just had this sinking feeling every time I saw the numbers. Makes no sense that she can have 2 million more popular votes yet none of those in the states she lost.Still smells like rotting fish. Somebody with far more knowledge then me needs to formally look into this.

  31. William Carr on November 18, 2016 at 7:09 am

    “Low turnout” ?

    The lines were gigantic ! There were reports from all over about long lines !

    The paper ballots are still supposedly in the boxes. We need an Audit.

    • Brandon Schumacher on November 21, 2016 at 8:13 pm

      An audit is definitely in order, regardless of the fact that Clinton conceded. In pageants & lottery picks, an independent audit firm (typically one of the big 4 like KPMG, EY PWC, etc) has always ensuring valid, unaltered results. I feel like this deserves the same level of attention, and that it needs to be kept quite so that no outside influence/bribes happen…

      It would costly & time consuming, but I think the country deserves confirmation from an unbiased source…

  32. Brandon Russell on November 18, 2016 at 7:24 am

    I agree Bill, the numbers don’t add up. I think the most logical explanation of how the GOP and Trump carried out this “conspiracy” is that the Koch brothers funded an elaborate scheme installed years ago in the form of the Interstate Voter Registration Crosscheck Program. This allows voters to be struck from voting – typically based on racial profiling. The voters would have turned out for Hillary in all likelihood. Why this isn’t being investigated when its a clear form of racial profiling and fraud is beyond me.

    • Francia on November 22, 2016 at 6:43 pm

      Does anyone know whether voters are notified they were purged by cross check, or if they are allowed to vote, thinking their vote will be counted, only to have their ballot discounted?

  33. Marie on November 18, 2016 at 7:31 am

    This is disturbingly convincing. I really wouldn’t be surprised if they had Comey release the last-minute e-mail stuff as a smoke screen to explain away the Trump “win.”

    • Vincent on November 20, 2016 at 2:35 pm

      Right, and Comey didn’t want to release information about Trumps ties to Russia.

  34. Larry on November 18, 2016 at 7:33 am

    The information available to us, absent more, does not constitute definitive evidence that the election was rigged. However, it is information that warrants further investigation. The question is, if the investigation confirms what this information suggests, what happens next?

  35. Jacalina on November 18, 2016 at 8:01 am

    I knew it! I have been saying this since Wednesday after the election. It was all too coincidental that all of the large cities voted over the top for Hillary…. yet all of the rural areas – especially in the key states (Pennsylvania, Michigan, Florida, North Carolina) were reported to have voted for Trump. The maps just looked wrong. Hillary won this election fair and square. Now…. How can we turn this around? How can the electoral college be convinced to vote reflecting the true vote of the people?

  36. James Marshall on November 18, 2016 at 8:20 am

    We are not Allstate folks and we are not in good hands.

  37. Joe on November 18, 2016 at 8:36 am

    Thanks, Bill. i’ve been thinking about this myself. I think that the rigging came in feeding votes to Gary Johnson and Jill Stein–there was basically NO variance in their poll numbers and their vote count–which flies in the face of everything that you’re saying about Trump and Clinton. (What typically happens performance-wise, etc.)

    But who would investigate this? The FBI?? Fat chance there.

  38. Xena Amazon on November 18, 2016 at 8:53 am

    What can be done about it?

  39. Laurie Mann on November 18, 2016 at 9:41 am

    I am an election poll worker for my county in Pennsylvania. I know what the numbers for my precinct are as I’m the minority inspector. So I know what we submitted. I do not know what the state thought our numbers were as I have not found the precinct level numbers published anywhere yet. So if you were an election inspector for ANY precinct in states like Florida, Ohio, North Carolina, Wisconsin and even Pennsylvania (much as it pains me to say this) – look for the precinct election results. Back in “the old days,” these numbers were published in local newspapers within a day or two of the elections.

    • Mark on November 20, 2016 at 4:36 pm

      So are you following up on this?

  40. Elizabeth on November 18, 2016 at 9:57 am

    Bill, do you have a plan to lobby the FEC to investigate? I agree, but there is no proof without an investigation.

  41. Barbara Gardner on November 18, 2016 at 9:59 am

    Donald Trump has always turned around anything negative that was said about him to reflect upon anyone or anything else instead of him, so when he went on and on about the election being rigged, I wondered then if he didn’t know something we electors didn’t, and he wanted to be sure the “other side” would be blamed for any discrepancies.

  42. Mahina Nightsage on November 18, 2016 at 10:19 am

    I agree with your analysis and it is depressing and frightening. I don’t think there is anything we can do about this election. Any ideas about what we can do going forward?

    • Tara on November 18, 2016 at 4:20 pm

      Wrong. Contact your Senators. Call and leave message. Sign “We the People” Petition demand an audit. This is a non-partisan issue we cannot allow foreign entities to interfere with our Democratic process. Call Senators leave messages. Contact the ACLU.

  43. Melanie on November 18, 2016 at 10:23 am

    I’m with you on this. The minute Trump said the election was rigged, my first thought was that he was rigging it. He uses projection so much of the time, it made sense. How do we get an audit? How can this injustice be corrected?

    • Tara on November 18, 2016 at 4:20 pm

      I’ve posted what to do in replies. Spread the word. Also sign the Faithless Elector petition. It is vital to stop this immediately.

  44. Beth Shovelton on November 18, 2016 at 11:01 am

    Remember when I guess it was Ivanka said that it was going to be the “Silent voters” that win the election for Trump? How much you wanna bet those “silent voters” were ballot box stuffers/hackers? The Trumps do nothing but project their faults and schemes onto others. They did the rigging.

    • Aunt Arctica on November 20, 2016 at 10:39 pm

      That, I believe, was kellyanne smugway

  45. Lynn on November 18, 2016 at 11:04 am

    Can a voter in those states sue for having their voting rights infringed upon? Can they ask the state to prove that their vote was legally counted for the candidate they chose. If they had problems on the day they voted and those problems were not resolved immediately then wouldn’t they have a case. And if it was a state or county wide problem then gather more people and demand a stay on the election until it’s resolved.

    • Jasper on November 20, 2016 at 10:42 pm

      Unfortunately, that’s one of the problems with a secret ballot–no way to trace back to them to see if they were really counted. The voter counts we see are based on who checked in to the polls and given a ballot, but that’s not the same as your vote actually being counted of course. However, the first step should always be to compare THESE two numbers.

  46. PATRICIA FORMAN on November 18, 2016 at 11:36 am

    Everyone was saying she was a shoe in for the early voting in Florida, I thought Florida was going to be called early once the early votes were read. There is no way that she didn’t win Fla.
    Why wasn’t his connection to Russia more of an issue during the campaign? That was a real miss for the media.

    • unkabob on November 22, 2016 at 4:43 pm

      Not a media miss.. This was deliberate.

  47. Kelvin on November 18, 2016 at 11:37 am

    Sometime during the middle of last week, I informed my colleagues that something was off regarding the outcome. I also made the same argument that, the odds for the majority of analysts to misinterpret the calculation is very rare, and does not correspond with statistics.
    However I believe the issue will be, trying to determine what method or technique was used to fudge the numbers.

  48. Shirley Williams on November 18, 2016 at 11:51 am

    I wondered why Trump has answered so oddly when asked, beofer the election, if he would concede graciously if it turned out he lost. His answer was basically, ‘We’ll see” Did he know something then?

    • clare on November 20, 2016 at 8:30 pm

      I think Trump genuinely expected not to win, especially given his comment that he would sue the women who made allegations against him after the election was over.

  49. linda on November 18, 2016 at 12:04 pm

    Makes sense to me.

  50. Leslie Bell on November 18, 2016 at 12:59 pm

    Nothing that a national strike and nightly peaceful demonstrations from Dec 1- Dec 19th, including a nationwide and online holiday shopping boycott starting Black Friday, in all the major cities wouldn’t force the electoral college to turnaround and fix.

    Including continued revelations by the NSA of how, exactly, Russia hacked the vote counts and how to insure it never happens again.

    Trump might well concede if he didn’t win fairly, “as he wanted to”.

  51. Marilyn Brown on November 18, 2016 at 1:22 pm

    I’ve been suspicious of the results too. How can we get someone to investigate?

  52. Sherri on November 18, 2016 at 1:39 pm

    I began to get suspicious on Election Night itself when it took some relatively small counties hours to record their votes, only to end up reporting a grand total of around 5,000 votes. So what was the delay? Then I recalled what a Republican acquaintance of mine noted about her polling place earlier in the day. Namely, that no one asked her for ID, and that she knew “the names of several people who weren’t voting” on the rolls that she could have claimed to be had she been inclined to try. So now I’d like to see if there’s any way to see the actual signed voter sheets. Just to see if there are any blocs of suspiciously similar signatures. I honestly wouldn’t put it past them.

  53. Chris on November 18, 2016 at 2:45 pm

    The FBI knows that Russian fixed it and will not release that information or where the ballets mysteriously vanished from. They must make what they know public and check for more issues right a way.

  54. Rebecca on November 18, 2016 at 4:11 pm

    Furthermore, narcissists famously accuse their opponents of exactly what THEY THEMSELVES are doing wrong. If he says the election is rigged, it’s because HE IS RIGGING IT!
    Where are the psychiatrists when we need them? This is classic. He accused bill Clinton of sexual assault, Hillary of lying, snd also
    Rigging the election. What more proof do we need?

  55. Marty Rogers on November 18, 2016 at 4:26 pm

    can a private citizen sue the election officers in those 4 states for fraud?

  56. Gee Malo on November 18, 2016 at 4:28 pm

    When Trump repeatedly said that if he didn’t win,then the election was rigged, is it possible he meant that he had rigged the election and if Hillary won, then he would know it was rigged by her? That is, it would take a rigging to beat his rigging.

  57. Mary on November 18, 2016 at 5:42 pm

    I have been thinking about this since Election night when Pennsylvania showed up on my phone app as blue, but by the time I got home two,p hours later it was clearly red. I was thinking that he might have taken two of those four states, but not Pennsylvania and Michigan. Something just doesn’t sit right about all of this. Thank you for putting it into a plausible explanation. Who would investigate this type of thing?

  58. Jake on November 18, 2016 at 7:44 pm

    All plausible. But the truth underlying this that we don’t like to hear is … had more voters turned out it would have been that much harder to rig a result. Rigging doesn’t let people who didn’t vote off the hook … but yet it will probably cause even lower turnout in future.

  59. Roger on November 18, 2016 at 7:50 pm

    The threshold in at least some of the states for an automatic recount is 0.5%… So by staying just above that, they avoid it.

  60. Obama-Vision on November 18, 2016 at 9:05 pm

    Thank you Bill for writing such an articulate and finely written piece on the Election. I was a poll-worker in California and even thought Clinton won the State, I personally hand signed close to 182 Provisional Ballots, which turned out to be 26.6% of the Ballots cast at my Precinct alone. Had I been in a Rust Belt State where millions of people had been Brainwashed to hate the Co-founder of an organization that feeds impoverished children all over the world, while being propagandized into loving a Neo-Nazi-like Bigot that ripped off little old ladies of their life’s savings, I can only imagine where that stack of Provisional Ballots would have ended up. If we do not get this Election nullified on Decemopber 19th, I will be leaving the country.

  61. Steve on November 18, 2016 at 9:36 pm

    The FBI is already investigating his ties to Russia. They have a FISA warrant and are going after his e-mails. Maybe they are way ahead of us already.

  62. Malcolm on November 18, 2016 at 9:39 pm

    Question: how many companies manufacture the voting machines? Who owns those companies? If I recall correctly, there were only two or three, then it would take very little for the company to generate whatever results were desired. I also remember from back when Bush the lesser was elected, one of them did a security test to see how hard it would be to put in a hidden button that would flip the results from a reporting station. It wasn’t difficult, and, if present, would be completely invisible to anyone who didn’t take a machine, download the software off of it, and go through line by line.

  63. Lesley on November 18, 2016 at 9:47 pm

    Russia did their part. The deplorables were fed juicy bait and they swallowed hook, line and sinker.

  64. Marty on November 18, 2016 at 10:47 pm

    When the election results started coming in and Florida looked iffy, yet the early voting was examined by TargetSmart who said an astonishing 26% of GOP voters had VOTED for HRC, and with a huge Hispanic population, her loss seemed impossible. Then VA barely went blue, then states that always go blue suddenly didn’t.

    Someone else commented how smug that slime Kelly Ann Conway was. We need to have her taken to an undisclosed location and waterboard her, she’ll give up the truth in no time. Ok, well.. that was just a fantasy.

    But the numbers make sense when you look at the way Palmer looks at it. Just the ‘perfect’ number needed to ‘win’, and prevent a state wide recount. Not a huge margin, not too small, just right.

    Rudy Guiliani was giddy the night of the election, way earlier than he should have beenl again, almost like he KNEW they were going to win. Wink wink, nod nod, we got your back, but who? Putin? Corrupt GOP election people, national election people? A wide-ranging conspiracy?

    Regardless of who, what, when and how, this election smelled fishy almost immediately after early #s started coming in. 538 has been perfect for election in recent memory and they were off, HuffPost ran 10mm simulations and HRC won 98% of them, Larry Sabato had her winning, so many did.

    Do we explain this simply by saying Trumpkins lied? To make it look like She was winning? Maybe, but then add in the perfection of the vote counts and ask why.

    In the swing states, CROSSCHECK, a scam invented by the GOP to purge voter roles of people legally allowed to vote could explain this, as in all the swings, they purged 100-500,000 voters. Now, if you look at the razor thin margin of victory with those purged votes, it could explain the tiny wins by Trump. Put only a small # of purged voters back into the voted column, She wins.

    How do people in those states confirm they weren’t victimized by Crosscheck? Maybe all those people who were evicted from the voter rolls, but were NOT notified simply went to the polls, and voted as usual, only to never know their votes were already negated. So any of those people who voted were simply not counted. This isn’t all that hard to do. States simply cross-reference those who were purged, against those who still voted. Remove them, margin of victory goes to Trump.

    This could be a world class fraud on the American people and it should be investigated, yet we all know it won’t. Dems simply accept results blindly, the GOP would be screaming bloody murder if he’d win pop vote and she won EV’s. Yet, no one’s screaming now about it, no one’s throwing temper tantrums or filing 100’s of lawsuits. Had the results been reversed, how many lawsuits would Trump’s team have already filed? 100s? 1000s? SCOTUS involved?

    To Palmer, can you analyze numbers and see what the polls expected against the real vote counts? You said 1%. Most states won’t do a recount unless the margin is under 1%.. Curious? Sure looks odd. A few hundred votes would have been a recount Trump would likely have lost on close examination. But by exceeding 1%, no recounts..

    And lastly. does ANYONE, Dems or Reps think for 1 second that it would be beneath Trump to CHEAT to win? Add up all the evidence, and get it published. Send it to ALL The news media, and someone’s bound to pick it up. Get it to Loretta Lynch, and yes. Comey. I think Comey was more stooge than complicit. For all we know, that server was fake just to get him to say what he said. How far does this conspiracy theory go?

    Lawrence Tribe said he’d help people Trump attacked, so he attacked America. He has access to many, many high powered lawyers.. Get it to the DNC.. Make this a mess. But we all suspect there’s something going on and in Donny’s own words, we need to stop doing this until we can figure out what the hell is going on!

  65. John Beale on November 18, 2016 at 11:51 pm

    I have had the feeling that the surprise was too neat every time.I”d think about it, noting the suspicously uniform amounts by which Trump had been said to win and also the arrogant attitude whole declaring he would win.I also hate conspiracy theories, but I have to support your belief here.

  66. Lea Oliver on November 19, 2016 at 1:03 am

    Conspiracy was never proven in the case of Al Gore, with a conservative Supreme Court giving the election to George Bush. I think most people agree the Florida election results and possible Ohio results, as well, were rigged. What chance is there of proving a conspiracy in this election with the Republican senate holding out for a conservative justice, when Obama should have been able to appoint the justice to replace Scalia?

    • Mark on November 20, 2016 at 4:41 pm

      This is how fascism takes over. They’ve stolen this election, and now have 4 years to make it even more rigged (including appointing Scalia II).

  67. Jacki on November 19, 2016 at 3:55 am

    All Trump followers are going to regret choosing Trump you people were conned.

  68. Scott Neuman on November 19, 2016 at 4:14 am

    Burlington County showed 40000 more votes for Hillary that Trump but Dem Congressional Candidates and County Dems lost by 5000 votes or a swing of 35000 under votes. Makes no sense unless there is fraud involved.

  69. Katie Doherty on November 19, 2016 at 6:34 am

    What about international election observers? I read before the election that the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe was sending extra observers this year, but I haven’t seen any reports afterward about their work, and I’m unsure whether they have to be involved in certifying the results (maybe they should be).

  70. KellBron on November 19, 2016 at 7:20 am

    “…The final tallies in Florida, Wisconsin, Pennsylvnia, and Michigan read like someone went through and nudged each of them just over the mark so Trump would win them,..”
    It seems to me it would have been a lot easier to simply reduce the votes in three known blue stronghold counties within red states, Milwaukee, Philadelphia, Detroit, flipping those states red, than it would be to nudge up the numbers in many counties. It would have been a clean, targeted, predictable way to flip WI, MI and PA (all that was needed, even with a FL loss, to keep HRC from 270).

  71. Kathleen Johnson on November 19, 2016 at 7:45 am

    Trump said if he didn’t win the election was rigged – what he didn’t say was ~ it was going to be rigged so he could win.

  72. Larry on November 19, 2016 at 8:52 am

    Read David Pepper’s novel “The People’s House” in which a Russian oligarch rigs a U.S. mid-term election. It is eerily similar to the Palmer thesis and doesn’t seem all that far-fetched

  73. Anne on November 19, 2016 at 9:14 am

    From day 1 I thought it seemed suspicious. Having a background in research and statistics I thought it was impossible for all the polls to be so off in every single state. I thought the discrepancy could occur if votes were thrown out (not by voter suppression). I guess no one wants to be labeled a conspiracy theorist, but my gut feeling told me something felt off. If the Russians were able to hack into the DNC emails, why would this be impossible?

    • patsy chandler alford on November 20, 2016 at 4:13 pm

      please tell me how we can start an invesgiate into this matter as soon as possible, i knew something wasnt right about this election AND DONALD HAD TOO MUCH CONFIDENT THAT HE WAS GOING TO WIN AND, BY THE WAY THE SAME THING HAPPEN IN NC NORTH CAROLINA TOO WHEN YOU GO VOTE FOR HILLARY IT WOULD JUMP ON DONALD TRUMP THEY SAID THEY FIXED IT BUT I DONT BELIEVE THEY DID, AND LOOK HOW LONG IT TOOK THE VOTE TO COME IN I SAT UP ALL NIGHT .IT NEVER TOOK THAT LONG FOR VOTE TO COME IN BEFORE. WHY IS RUSSIA SO INTERESTED IN TRUMP FOR BEING THE PRESIDENTTHE UNITED STATES BETTER GET THAT MAN OUT OF OFFICE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE HE IS GOING TO TEAR DOWN EVERYTHING WE STAND FOR, SO IF IT A PETITION THAT NEED TO BE SIGN I WILL SIGN IT.

    • Brett Blaney on November 20, 2016 at 9:31 pm

      Has anyone thought it is funny he made such a big deal of the election being rigged? What better way of deflecting his own rigging.

  74. Laura on November 19, 2016 at 1:58 pm

    So, please DO something or tell common people what they can do. Trump never shut his mouth about a rigged election. I find it hard to believe he didn’t know how it MIGHT happen and if he did, why not MAKE it happen???

  75. Dr Cathy Todd on November 19, 2016 at 2:18 pm

    Arizona was certainly rigged. It took nearly a week to count 650,000 of the early ballots. Strangely nearly all lf them were for Trump and Mc Cain. It did not follow the pattern that democrats usually vote early. Also, Arizona has one of the largest Hispanic populations in the country and they had rallies to get out the vote and when the votes were ‘counted’ they supposedly did not vote. I don’t believe it–not then–not now.

  76. Michael Baughn on November 19, 2016 at 2:31 pm

    You keep this great investigation going, but please, keep looking over your shoulder.

  77. Kris on November 19, 2016 at 2:55 pm

    I live in metro Atlanta, where HRC took the traditional GOP stronghold of Cobb County. I still scratch my head that she could win Newt Gingrich’s former district and lose the general election.

    So when I put on my tin foil hat and started musing, I thought, well GA was seen as an inconsequential state. Not one of the “swing” states. So anyone trying to tamper wouldn’t worry about nudging it, as you say, Trump’s way. No need to nudge. It’s probably going for him and it doesn’t matter in the grand scheme.

    I don’t know that I can completely buy into the idea that someone tampered. But man, that Cobb County outlier just keeps poking at the back of my brain.

  78. Cindy Sorensen on November 19, 2016 at 2:56 pm

    It will never be investigated because it’s Trump that won…. they only investigate things that hurt Hillary…. is a fact

  79. deb G on November 19, 2016 at 4:25 pm

    I do believe Hillary is the true winner and somehow Donald got them rigged. He brags about being a winner even if he has to cheat to do so. To me, he is an embarrassment to this country. Hillary, we need you!

  80. Edward Lumm on November 19, 2016 at 4:28 pm

    I don’t think he should be in the Whitehouse

  81. Patricia A.Schenk on November 19, 2016 at 4:30 pm

    I have to say it is long past time we either become a real Democracy or call it what it is. Hillary won in counted votes by well over a million. Not by 100,000, but by over 1,000,000. Every time something happens out of the norm the Democrats lose. We lost when Gore won the 2000 election by electoral votes. That is just the tip of the iceberg. Again, and again, the Democrats have more votes in the House but lose by 80 seats. This is not the first time. Are the elections rigged. The Democrats and Republicans have been gerrymandering for many elections. This have to stop. When you gerrymander you take my vote away from me. Enough. You have to quit closing polls. When I was a kid everyone could walk to where they voted. People voted, it was easy. Until they are willing to change these we are all wasting our time voting. They make us look stupid.

  82. Diane on November 19, 2016 at 5:28 pm

    One word: Diebold.

  83. Deanna Whiteside on November 19, 2016 at 5:34 pm

    I believe the election was rigged because Trump said it was. He said he would know it wasn’t rigged if he won. I think it’s not the first time an election was rigged. When Bush won I think his brother fixed the State of Florida for him. Why does this just get ignored? It will just keep happening

  84. Gloria on November 19, 2016 at 6:56 pm

    Harry Reid the other day in his interview stated that 107,000 votes across the 4 swing states she “lost” was the difference. Michelle Obama talked about how few votes in a few districts could swing an election….
    How easy would it be to mess around with so few ballots in key districts in these 4 states?

  85. Gloria on November 19, 2016 at 7:08 pm

    We also were told constantly by the media that because we didn’t have a ‘national’ election procedure, that we were less likely to be hackeda because each state had their own way of setting up their voting….I never bought that one…to me, the crazy quilt of “massaged” voting regulations, times, early voting availability and how people in charge choose to place voting machines makes it pretty easy to pick your spot to manipulate….

    We should vote like Britain…set up the tables and citizens COUNT each paper ballot …live, on TV….
    Why not? Because it would be too simple and reliable….

  86. Wilane on November 19, 2016 at 9:36 pm

    Atleast someone is on the same page with me, this is what I said from day 1 elections were rigged, anyone who sees stats and understand can really decipher those numbers

  87. Catherine on November 20, 2016 at 2:35 am

    I’m guessing kellyanne Conway and Trump were confident of the win due to all those conversations with Russia, who were reassuring Trump that they would rig the election in his favor. Hence the reason he claimed if Hillary won, it would be rigged. And we know how much he likes to deflect. When he accuses someone else of something, it’s because he is doing it himself. Over and over and over again he has done that.

    And he was so confident because they were able to say, “hey, look what we’re doing with Hillary’s emails to help you out. Of course we can rig your election.”

    Not to mention that if Trump worshipers were willing to take up arms if Trump lost, how much easier would it have been for them to rig an election instead, especially in the smaller towns, when they know they will never be caught; it’s much easier than taking up arms. And with all the fears and promises Trump spewed, it would be insane to think that they wouldn’t try to rig the election. After all, trump kept telling them that they would never have this opportunity again, that if Clinton won, that’s basically the end to them–ya know, the white man–and the end of our democracy and country. Couple those kind of fears with the Supreme Court nominees and promises like, “I will make every dream you’ve ever had your entire life come true,” and voilà, you get crazies willing to rig an election.

    It’s beyond fishy that supposedly 90,000 people in Detroit voted for every single other race and every ballot initiative, amendment or whatever else, but not for president. That alone should have raised major flags!

    Instead of the media calling this ou or questioning it, they just discussed repeatedly how the polls could be so wrong. Again, the media blows it!

  88. cynthia paden on November 20, 2016 at 2:49 am

    How is vote tally collected from local precincts? Maybe a hacker didn’t change anyone’s vote, just changed vote tally numbers. I don’t know how the process works, but if hackers can get into high security accounts, I would think they could hack into our computers that receive vote tallies. Like the author of this article, I need facts to back up theories and in this case all the evidence is circumstantial, but something just doesn’t smell right.

  89. M Hinkson on November 20, 2016 at 5:49 am

    Given the PRE election warnings of threats of Russian hacking, given the POST election emergence of multiple ties to Russia by Trump team…. and given the validity of all the red flags you raise…. Surely the LEAST we can ask is for selected shock polling areas to be investigated to prove or disprove any hacking. Eternal Vigilance is required to protect liberty. Evil flourishes when good men do nothing.

  90. Tom Miller on November 20, 2016 at 6:18 am

    My wife and I live in Marion County Florida a solid republican county of mostly retirees. We were at our second home in Georgia on election day. My wife made arrangments for vote by mail before we went to Georgia. We received our vote by mail ballots in October, voted and mailed them back in. We have no idea that our ballots were received and counted. With all of the accusations here in Florida I have to wonder.

  91. amy on November 20, 2016 at 6:36 am

    How can I check to see if my vote was included? What if the system was hacked on the day of the election?

  92. Frederick Leatherman on November 20, 2016 at 6:49 am

    I believe it may be possible to calculate the statistical probability that Trump would have won by 1% in each of these sates: FL, WI, MI & PA. That number might exceed 1 in 1B.

  93. Susan Elliot on November 20, 2016 at 7:05 am

    I happened to watching a few of the last rallies due to a Trump supporter clicking like on them and showing up on my newsfeed. He was telling people “the election is rigged so if you mailed in your ballots, go and vote in person. They HAVE to let you vote in person.” I was screaming at my laptop. WHAT??? Vote twice???? Can you imagine if Hillary told people to vote twice?

  94. Joseph Lado on November 20, 2016 at 8:55 am

    I had a discussion that turned into an argument with my wife over something that I had noticed. We live in a farming community. When I drive out of my town there are nothing but crop fields for miles around. In the last 30 years mechanization has changed farming around here and everything else. Most small towns have been gutted of businesses, mainly because it takes very few people to run a crop farm, especially the ones that plants corn and soybean. Around here there is nothing but corn and soybean farms. On occasion you will see a milk farm, (more often than not it is a factory farm employing few employees) on occasion there will be another crop planted that can be harvested by similar machinery, (crops need to be rotated) once in awhile you will see a small cattle ranch. The other day I watched while an enormous farm of corn was harvested with two people and the truck drivers that came by to pick up the load of corn. One drove the combine, the other drove a tractor pulling a grain cart. The cart would move the corn and unload it into the 18 wheelers that would show up to take the load. This tremendous reduction of people needed to take in a crop of such magnitude explained to me how we got to not having enough people to economically sustain stores in small towns. I also know that Walmart has managed to suck up nearly all the rest of the economy in this rural area by opening its category buster stores that employ people for little money and employ far less people than used to be employed by the towns that used to service its consumers. I can understand people of these communities being angry and confused and voting for Trump, because both parties have failed to protect their interest over the last 30 years or more. However, what I don’t understand is where the people came from to vote for Donald Trump over the densely populated cities that overwhelmingly went with Hillary. The rural communities have been severely depopulated over the last 50 years do to mechanization, jobs moving overseas, Walmarts and the like. So how did they overcome the massively populated cities, where many of the youth have gone to, and where their politics have changed?

  95. cadbury on November 20, 2016 at 9:08 am

    Then there is the curious phenomenon of Trump’s team telling us repeatedly that there were people who didn’t respond to the polls who would show up for Trump on Election Day.

  96. Mimi on November 20, 2016 at 9:28 am

    Again, based only on a trial lawyer’s suspicious nature rather than any evidence, I would add my observation I that throughout his campaign, Trump most aggressively attacked his challengers for the very qualities he most exemplified. By being the first to bring up credibility by labeling Clinton “lying Hillary”, for example, he adroitly inoculated himself from too much complaining about all his whoppers. This was a pretty obvious pattern from the beginning. As soon as he started complaining about a “rigged election”, my antenna went up and I wondered what he was up to. By raising this issue first (and predictably getting all the Democrats defending the sanctity of our election system), he made it nearly impossible for anyone to thoroughly investigate election results now. Of course, none of this is proof, but I have always thought the Democrats are naive in thinking Trump will play by any rules, especially with the Russians helping him. I’m no techno expert, but I would say that with the control of global politics at stake, we should assume that if it is possible for a country, (putting in as many resources as needed and with a talent for hacking and election rigging) to get in and alter our election results, I would be more surprised if it didn’t happen.

  97. Pam Brewer on November 20, 2016 at 9:42 am

    Ok when we were cheated with Florida giving Bush the win, we all got mad but nothing was done about it. It turned out to be a disaster. Are we going to do it again. Are we just going to be mad and not do anything? Come on, this is the USA. Why can’t we demand a look at all of these things. Recount the votes. For all we know Trump himself could be behind this (I doubt it he is too stupid) but someone is and they belong in jail. I’m sick and tired of the wealthy having all the power over this country. The wealthy get away with what ever they want. No one goes to jail over the crash even though several names were given to the FBI that needed to be prosecuted. We need to get this done. Please don’t let them get away with this. For our Country we need to fight.

  98. chijules on November 20, 2016 at 10:03 am

    In addition to all the other points noted, which I agree seem way too unlikely to have happened in toto, I have noticed that Trump does 2 things fairly consistently – one is that he projects his own problems, failings, faults, etc onto his oponent; and the other is that he tends to tip his hand to things that are already set up by his people, as if he thinks that will cover up his involvement. His foundation is about to be investigated, and he (or his people) starts railing about the Clinton Foundation. His ties to foreign leaders are about to come out, and he starts pointing out Clinton’s supposedly suspicious ties. He produces a few known alt-right online polls showing he is ahead, and he claimsd all the many mainstream polls that show Clinton ahead are biased. Over and over this happened, even about unimportant things. The minute he made the unlikely staement that he expected the election to be rigged in favor of Clinton, I became worried that exactly the opposite was likely to happen. It’s just how he acts – he always accuses the other side of doing things he or his supporters have done or will do. Election rigging was never even in the wind until he brought it up, and made it a very big deal. I have to admit my first thought was – distraction by blaming the other side. I tend to be a skeptic, always trying to verify things, even when my leanings would make me tend to accept them. This issue we may never know for sure, but it would not surprise me at all.

  99. Just Saying... on November 20, 2016 at 10:18 am

    This happened in Kansas (and several other states) when the unpopular Republican governors won by the same percentage in the wee hours of the morning. Our voting machines all used the same software…very very likely we are seeing election fraud again.

  100. Armond Aserinsky on November 20, 2016 at 10:46 am

    Bill, like you I am trained in the social sciences (Ph.D. 1980 Bryn Mawr College, Developmental Psychology; raised in the home of a Neurophysiologist) and I tend at times to be rather pedantic. I have never found a conspiracy theory that passed my sniff test. The idea you present is so far the sole exception. My wife is similarly trained and similarly disinclined to believe any of the conspiracy theories currently floating around in the atmosphere; like me (and YOU), however, she finds the various low-probability elements of this year’s election to add up to an exceedingly unlikely outcome.

    That is to say, if each of the odd elements that you refer to were given a probability score as high as 25% the cumulative probability is extremely low. Try multiplying as few as five elements by point 25 sequentially: .25x.25x.25.x.25x.25. Result= .00098.
    That’s right, the probability of all of just 5 elements of slightly low probability coming to pass is exceedingly low. Using the resulting probability as a statistical alpha level we would call the result statistically HIGHLY SIGNIFICANT. Remember that the point 05 level is the bargain basement probability level for scientific significance, the point 001 level represents a level very seldom achieved.

    Today two of the guests arriving at my house for a long Thanksgiving holiday just happen to be experts in elections. They have been personally responsible for running several elections in other countries. I shall present your article to them. Needless to say they are both horrified at the present outcome and will probably burst into song if they find what you are presenting to be compelling. I wish us both good luck. And thank you for being a courageous journalist.

  101. Joyce porter on November 20, 2016 at 10:56 am

    I was watching the vote tallies for Michigan on a live feed on election night and for the most part both candidates would each increase their numbers proportionately – but occasionally Trump would get a 20,000 vote boost with no increase in numbers for Hillary, and without a corresponding change in the total percentage of votes cast. I jumped up screaming “OMG someone is adding votes to the Trump side!”

  102. Jane William on November 20, 2016 at 10:57 am

    My husband and I aren’t conspiracy people either, but we’ve been very suspicious about this election. There are too many
    variables that have gone unchecked. In addition, we paid close attention to how often Trump would level an accusation
    against HRC, that in reality was something he, himself was guilty of. So when the “this election is rigged” comment started,
    we figured he knew it was rigged against HRC but was keeping the focus elsewhere. This investigation needs to get started
    now, and at full throttle.

  103. Lori on November 20, 2016 at 10:59 am

    On CBC’s coverage of the US election, the commentators were surprised that only 18% of Latinos voted, when polls indicated 60% were going to. This really should be investigated.

  104. Katie Jergens on November 20, 2016 at 11:06 am

    We can crowd-source an audit. For example, everyone take a contested county and look for names for whom there’s record of them voting in the primary but not in the general. Contact those people and see if they are surprised. I’m researching how to do this now. Other option is to sign the Change.org petition but I don’t have high hopes for that. Might as well take this into our own hands.

  105. Lara K. on November 20, 2016 at 11:33 am

    Robert Heinlein wrote that one of the best ways to lie was to tell the truth but make people think you were lying. So when Trump kept saying “it’s a rigged election, folks” I kept saying to my husband that it was because he was going to rig it … but what he was doing, as he said that, was causing everyone to step in to say “oh, no, it can’t be rigged, that’s impossible.” On a side note, I spent the days leading to the election canvassing for Hillary among a list of registered supporters (in Florida). Each day we’d get a list of people who hadn’t voted yet, to go remind them to vote early (or vote, on voting day). But many of the people I talked with, on the list of those who hadn’t yet voted, said they already did vote. At the time I thought maybe the list updating was problematic, but now I wonder other things. It should, at least, be looked into.

    • Chris on November 21, 2016 at 12:15 am

      And the governor of Florida is Republican. And then there’s Pam Bondi the Attorney General who received $25,000 from Trump.

  106. Marie Gregoire on November 20, 2016 at 11:57 am

    Here’s another thing that I was looking for in your article – the significance of a 1% win that most people don’t know about. Less than 1% difference in most places REQUIRES a recount. Most times by a different method than that in which ballots were originally counted. The fact that they were all just over this borderline, gives some credence to your theory. Because there isn’t a recount. – If rigged, whoever did this knew that, and played to that.

  107. Lilo Camp on November 20, 2016 at 1:32 pm

    The GOP senate wanted to leave the Supreme Court justice nomination to the next president. With Clinton so overwhelmingly ahead in the polls, why did they risk a new, more liberal Clinton appointee, rather than consenting to a moderate Garland? What did McConnel know? Why was he so certain that the Scalia replacement would not come from Clinton?

  108. Shel on November 20, 2016 at 2:16 pm

    Is everyone just in such shock they can’t think straight or are they threatened by the new authoritarian regime? Thing is they don’t have evidence to say the words you’re saying here. It’s just off. Way off.

    My theory is this. It is somehow tied to REDMAP which redistricted a gop lock on the House in 2010 – 2030. Statistically, the D’s cannot win those seats unless they outvote R’s 3 to 1. So since the Electoral College is tied to the number of house+senate seats for each state, wouldn’t it stand to reason this also creates a lock on the Presidency by extension? To me, if the Electoral College is not in line with the popular vote, then it’s a big red flag to be looked into. If it happens twice with the same party for such a short period of time, that’s an even bigger indicator that something isn’t right and deserves immediate attention.

    The fact here is my state is still counting mail-in ballots…. still counting. Lots of states are still counting. Trump’s data company used data, sales data along with other social media and who knows what else to locate his potential voters…. those who lead fear and hate based lives…. what do they buy? They designed their campaign marketing plan and locations from that data. That’s why we saw the night before him targeting specific districts within blue states. How did he know where to go? His sales, web traffic, and social media data maps.

    I think you’re right in comparing the primary totals with the general totals…. it makes sense. People calling for a recount are not going to get a different result unless they find warehouses filled with uncounted ballots. Looking at the county recorder offices’ employees’ and electors’ bank accounts and the trump campaign’s employees’ bank accounts might yield some results. That’s a lot of people possibly, yes…. but it is the age of big data and analytics and hacking. Follow the money… if that’s possible.

    The fact that the popular vote doesn’t reflect the Electoral College is basis for investigation, but I don’t think the lawsuits we saw in 2000 handled it right at all and appealing to the Electoral College is not going to be fruitful because maybe they’ve been paid off regardless of vote totals. Who selects the Electors? State Legislatures…. who are mostly R’s. That’s another reason people are accepting the “don’t worry your pretty little head about it. It’s happened before” answers to any concerns that are raised. Then there’s this…. who will do the investigation? The FBI?…… if not them, who? The judiciary? Why haven’t they named the tie breaker justice? Because the Supremes’ tie goes to the House to decide. The Electors? ….. same thing, tie goes to the House to decide. Then, you’ve got the loudest, most armed, most rabid constituency who are informed only by fake news and gossip sites. Who’s willing to take that on? And, that’s why no one will do anything on this valid point of concern. This is why people are reeling from this election and walking around like wtf. Trump didn’t expect to win but I guess their courting the electors and county clerks paid off. It sure looks that way anyway. It also looks like check mate. Even if there was evidence….. check mate. Having said that, I still hope against hope there’s a way to stop this overthrow of the American government systems.

    • Aunt Arctica on November 20, 2016 at 11:07 pm

      You’ve verbalized the sinking feeling in my gut that I’m seeing the beginning of the end of my country. Too many people too duped, too many too complacent. Too late?

  109. Vincent on November 20, 2016 at 2:22 pm

    Something else suspicious is that in NH even though Trump lost just by about 1400 votes they didn’t want a recount. As if there was something they didn’t want to be discovered.

  110. Wendy on November 20, 2016 at 3:08 pm

    Hillary is ahead in the poplular vote by about 1.5 million.

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  112. J.R. on November 20, 2016 at 4:08 pm

    Having observed elections internationally for almost 20 years, It is not only plausible, but also actually easily executed. The way to do it would to be to look in the best place to hide it. In plain sight. If you could electronically manipulate the results in rural areas of say Wisconsin by 1-1.5% in places that there was an overwhelming majority of Trump supporters, the combined total would push Trump over the top. In a county of about 14000 voters, and over 60% going for Trump, will anyone notice an extra 135 absentee ballots being counted for Trump? Computers are easily manipulated. It has been proven numerous times that people looking at a series of tabulations will accept the sum given by the computer as long as it seems to be reasonably close. We put men on the moon. Do you really think it would be hard to program a computer to add wrong?? The only way to prove that this did not take place would be to randomly re-count the ballots MANUALLY in places that went for Trump in a landslide and have them totaled by hand. If they don’t add up, then count them ALL over.

  113. claudette pinet on November 20, 2016 at 4:37 pm

    that’s y he keep saying it ‘s rigged he was the one doing it
    so crazy to watch what going on right now the whole family in the projects
    to destroy AMERICA I can’t believe that there is only a few of us that no what they did
    rudy,newt,donald,kellyanne some thing up there sleeve

    • Tara on November 22, 2016 at 3:43 am

      I knew when he won that this was hanky panky.

  114. Mr. F on November 20, 2016 at 5:01 pm

    I have no evidence to back this up, but something felt off when results were coming in. In FL, OH, and PA, just as HRCA was in the lead, Trump would overtake her. Again, no way to back it up and it could be due my bias and own frustration.

  115. Angelique on November 20, 2016 at 5:38 pm

    What has to happen for TPTB to look into this?

  116. Karen lantry on November 20, 2016 at 5:41 pm

    I totally agree. It was rigged. Just look at the county maps. They don’t look right. Especially in Fl. How can a whole county just turn red overnight? Doesn’t make any sense. Someone needs to investigate. Please our country is at stake.

  117. Erick Blair on November 20, 2016 at 6:03 pm

    Sour loser. Nothing more, nothing less.

  118. Christopher Oxley on November 20, 2016 at 6:27 pm

    I suspect those involved in rigging the election also encouraged Trump to talk about his fears of it being rigged during the campaign, because they knew Clinton’s response would be to defend the democratic process and talk herself into a corner by saying she would accept the result no matter what it was. Very clever.

  119. Karen Powers on November 20, 2016 at 6:31 pm

    There should have been a recount in these states. I am also wondering if all of the mailed ballots were counted. Hillary should not have conceded so quickly. If the shoe were on the other foot, Trump would have demanded a recount. This is all very suspicious…

  120. William on November 20, 2016 at 6:31 pm

    It has already been shown that the Trump campaign was in contact with Russia during the election, just possibly they instructed the Russian hackers where to tamper with results

  121. Kathryn Derwey on November 20, 2016 at 6:50 pm

    It is very possible the Comey mess was a deliberate ploy of distraction away from the Russian connection. There is one petition which I signed about a Republican owning the machines used in 16 states. That is where software could have been added to change votes. If an algorithm was used so as, lets say, to change Clinton votes to Trump but only 1 in 100,000 votes but only up to a 1% margin over Clinton totals and only for voters in 4 states. The algorithm would allow for corrections being made as the votes were posted. Could be done and he had access. I do not remember his name. Would not even need to be the Russians as there are Republican hackers who could code this very easily. All they would have needed was access to the machines via wifi, Bluetooth, broadband or dsl, if they did not get it when the machines received their initial programming. Remember the recent denial of service hack just before the election? They allegedly used unsecured access via cameras, etc. Could that have been a distraction for the real hack? When do the polling places get set up and how long in advance of voting? Are the machines set up on a network and do they upload the votes to a server and from the server to what for the last tally? Also, do they have an audit function. If no audit function, there is no easy way to find discrepancies from vote to tally. All of this assumes they used electronic voting machines and not paper ballots.

  122. Flybylight on November 20, 2016 at 7:51 pm

    We must call for audits of significant portions of the vote where voters have prepared paper ballots. Where we have exit polling data that has not been adjusted to comport with the actual polling going on, we must compare that with the ballots cast. And in counties in states where voters vote on unauditable and unrecountable DRE machines, we should be auditing a significant percentage of what some systems refer to as “ballot images,” and we should at least be comparing the final precinct-based results tapes with the ultimate final count.

    Additionally, we might want to look at absentee ballots and compare their results with the rest of the precincts in DRE counties.

    What we should **not** be doing is just simply certifying the election, because “it is what it is.”

  123. Aubrey on November 20, 2016 at 8:29 pm

    I really hope the election wasn’t rigged, but it seems overwhelmingly possible in how everything was laid out in this article. However, I know a lot of people who didn’t want to admit they voted for Trump and did(I’d say more than half of the people I know that voted for Trump were not vocal about it at all) and I’m wondering if that’s kind of what happened in the polls, causing the predictions to be way off.

  124. AAJ on November 20, 2016 at 9:00 pm

    I’m also wondering about the fact that the polls got it right in smaller swing states with less electoral votes such as CO, NV ad NH. The polls got it wrong in ONLY the bigger swing states with the most electoral votes such as FL and PA! Those were the ones needed to flip for a Trump victory. I agree there is something odd about this. If the polls were wrong in general then they should have been wrong in the smaller states as well.

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  126. Kathryn Derwey on November 20, 2016 at 9:23 pm

    Brenan Center for Justice investigated voting machines and reported on their vulnerability in 2015. You can bet the Trump team read this report. Your concerns are extremely valid.

  127. Matthew on November 20, 2016 at 9:29 pm

    There is also the psychological aspect of it to consider as well, when it comes to Trump. Through out the campaign he practiced the tactic of ‘hit first for what you’ve done wrong’. For example, he knew his own charitable organization was going to draw fire so he attacked the Clinton foundation. He knew that he was going to get hit for pay to play (through said organization) so he attacked Hillary for it. He wasn’t releasing anything health wise except the dubious letter, so he started attacking her health. It was his primary strategy.

    So then, before the election, in the swing states, he starts accusing Hillary and the dems of rigging an election that hadn’t happened yet. There was no reason to raise the specter of that at the time, unless he already started putting the wheels in motion himself. Again, not exactly concrete evidence, but it’s a trend in his behavior.

    • Chris on November 21, 2016 at 12:30 am

      And you are right, his behavior has a definite pattern. Devious. Calculating. Deceptive. Don

  128. Nadine on November 20, 2016 at 10:21 pm

    The algorithem and methodology used to derail Iran’s nucclear program left no digital footprint. A very difficult thing to do, even for advanced hackers. But if you add Russian hackers who may have had assistance from a certain notorious American in their country plus George Soros’ voting machines, Republican officials and Trump’s willingness…it could add up to a stolen election.

  129. Vicki Campbell on November 20, 2016 at 11:02 pm

    I totally agree that the vote tallies were rigged!

  130. Aunt Arctica on November 21, 2016 at 12:06 am

    Does anyone know how many of these surprise counties use paper vs DRE?

  131. Bushy on November 21, 2016 at 12:19 am

    Wikileaks hacked the votes and rigged them in certain states to insure a Trump victory, in return Trumps going to make sure the US doesn’t pursue charges against Julian Assange.

  132. Shani Dowdell on November 21, 2016 at 4:41 am

    Finally, someone making sense out of all of this.

  133. Jkrantz on November 21, 2016 at 5:50 am

    American elections have been rigged before.
    Look at the G.W. Bush v. Gore.
    That was rigged and nobody batted an eyelid!!

  134. Yaser Bahjatt on November 21, 2016 at 6:24 am

    There is a clear smoking gun, there was an Arabian channel that announced the winning numbers for trump at exactly the same sequence as all the other media with one main difference, it was exactly one hour before everyone else, as if they had been given the results in advance with a timing schedule to announce and they had miss calculated the time zone differences by an hour.

    I was watching that channel and thinking they are stupid until I started getting the same numbers an hour later from every other channel.

  135. Gail on November 21, 2016 at 6:45 am

    I wondered as I watched the results come in that night. I don’t believe conspiracy theories…but there were two things that concerned me. First, the swing states followed the same pattern…strong lead for Clinton and Trump nugging ahead by just enough to win without a recount. What are the chances of that? Second, I am a political junky…I have watched for months…and I look at state polls over time. They consistently had Clinton ahead. So there could be a silent hidden vote….but in every state? And I had seen an earlier poll in Florida that had talked with actual voters…Clinton was ahead and 28% of registered Republicans had voted for her (the never trump group). I am a part of nevertrump….you can’t convince me they switched at the last minute. I don’t know how they did it…but I do think it was rigged. I don’t have access to the data to know.

  136. Lois on November 21, 2016 at 7:36 am

    Do we have any recourse if it could be proven? Yes, a president can be impeached if found guilty of certain acts, but then the vice president takes the office. What happens if the political party machinery is found to have falsified or tampered with the election?

  137. AMacD on November 21, 2016 at 8:38 am

    Hi Bill. You’ve laid out your points. What now? What action can people take?

  138. Alex on November 21, 2016 at 8:44 am

    Something that has bothered me is as such. Trump ran an awful campaign and had barely any field offices. There was a lot of reporting of the lack of organization and many field offices weren’t even real. Then you look at his lack of fundraising the last few weeks and the fact that he stopped paying his pollster and wasn’t giving his own campaign very much money.

    It’s like he wasn’t really ‘trying’ to win.

    Did he know something? Why would he not care about things like voter registration, polling, fundraising and volunteer efforts? All analysis say those things are crucial in winning a campaign. For some reason, this year, they mattered not at all…how is that possible?

  139. Timothy Collins on November 21, 2016 at 11:38 am

    I have been trying to say the same things. There are serious bits of weirdness in the vote counts and this election ought to be poured over with a finer tooth comb before the Electoral College votes. But who can start a serious investigation of this?

    At the very least, even though I don’t like trump one iota, I can see where a serious look at this stuff is needed for him – he won’t have any legitimacy if there is a sense that the vote was rigged in his favor. So I’d think both sides of the coin might want this to be looked at…

  140. Lee A. on November 21, 2016 at 11:55 am

    Remember there were hundreds of high ranking signatories from the military, defense sector, science community, and elected offices who spoke out against Agent Orange on record. This gives us a long list to get investigations rolling.

  141. Nola Saint on November 21, 2016 at 12:12 pm

    All you needed to know to realize that the election would be “rigged” in Trump’s favor was listen to him and his team. Every. Single. Thing. they accused others of – they were guilty of doing (times 10). They were the masters of projection. Hillary was “crooked” says one of the most sued alive. The Clinton Foundation was acting illegally- says the guy whose foundation was actually closed. Hillary was a liar – claimed the person who was proven to lie at least 75% of the time. Every time he or his puppets spoke ill of Secretary Clinton you could rest assured they were speaking of themselves. Every time – without fail.

  142. Bud Couch on November 21, 2016 at 12:24 pm

    Since besides the deplorables who voted for him, overwhelmingly the US and the World doesn’t want Trump!! So lets try talking the electoral college into changing their vote or have a Quick doover vote so Trump wouldn’t have time to rig the system!! Their used to be a saying “The fox is the finder”, well Trump started saying “the system is rigged” well it was but it was him doing the rigging!!

  143. Rod P on November 21, 2016 at 1:21 pm

    Of course it’s a conspiracy. You’re in the middle of a conspiracy that has lasted over 35 years. It is the same conspiracy that investigated Bill Clinton, it is the same conspiracy that gave us Supply Side Economics, money is free speech, corporations are people, Citizens United, and the Benghazi Investigations. Did you think it an accident that Dems only lose when the Supreme Court nominees come up? Oh, and who DID generate that Classified Email to Hillary Clinton’s server? Hillary had no control over someone sending an email to her server. Why didn’t they prosecute the person who Initiated it? Of course it’s a real conspiracy. A Conspiracy that started in the 1950s with the John Birch Society. A conspiracy carried out in full view of the American people. Funny that you’ve only just discovered it as it becomes next to impossible to stop it.

  144. Rod P on November 21, 2016 at 1:31 pm

    Just start looking. You’ll find the same names connected together. Koch, Mellon Scaiffe, The Bradley Foundation, the Olin Foundation, and a few hundred more. All involved in energy, power, fossil fuels, heavy manufacturing. The Climate Deniers, John Birchers, primary DC Think tanks.

  145. Margaret-Rose Principato on November 21, 2016 at 5:58 pm

    One has to wonder if the Senate and House races were “RIGGED” as well??!!!

  146. theresa fiorella on November 21, 2016 at 6:47 pm

    I agree it was too strange.. and look at AZ… they delayed the votes.. who knows what went on.. Also,,it just seems strange but now look how she is ahead.. very weird.

  147. Barbara Michel on November 21, 2016 at 9:57 pm

    Mr Trump said all along that the election was rigged. Deadpan but the comments were clear. I think he knew something we didn’t know.

  148. Candice Silsby on November 21, 2016 at 10:34 pm

    This does not surprise me- the fact that he declared and even ranted about the elections being rigged sounds like the guilty party detracting from their own misdeeds.

  149. Gabriel Mitchell on November 22, 2016 at 4:48 am

    In Wisconsin the congressional district lines were redrawn by the GOP, not so long ago. Walker and Ryan are guilty.

  150. John Kerry on November 22, 2016 at 8:31 am

    Just curious where you were in 2004 when there was far more evidence pointing toward a rigged election? I’m not disputing what you’re presenting here at all, just curious your take since you say it’s the first time you’ve sided with the so-called “conspiracy theorists”

  151. Kimberly Cornilsen on November 22, 2016 at 10:15 am

    I don’t understand why they don’t have mail-in voting everywhere. Many people financially can’t make it to the polls or don’t have transportation so they’re vote isn’t counted their vote isn’t important and that doesn’t make sense.

  152. Paul Ronco on November 22, 2016 at 10:45 am

    We are too far into the Information Age to be able to trust the results of a one-man-one-vote ballot. This ballot is a national security flaw. We must institute modern IRV voting. America’s primitive electoral process has become a total laughingstock.

  153. Jeanne on November 22, 2016 at 6:32 pm

    Here’s an example of an “odd” county I noticed: Waukesha…(and if you google that county, there are rumors of previous “issues”) – Anyway, we were led to believe that Trump “turned” Wisconsin – a state that hasn’t voted Republican since 1984, right? Waukesha isn’t huge, but it’s not small either. Considering the overalll blue to red progression in Wisconsin counties, one would think that since Trump won that county (as did Romney in 2012), that his numbers would be at least consistent with Romney’s. Only they aren’t. Clinton actually got MORE votes in 2016 in Waukesha than Obama did in 2012….And Trump actually got LESS votes there in 2016 than Romney did…. Isn’t that odd? Hmmmmm……..

  154. […] You’re not just imagining it: the Hillary Clinton vs Donald Trump vote totals do look rigged […]

  155. Adelaide on November 22, 2016 at 11:27 pm

    As I read this, my stomach started to turn and I knew I was going to start to feel that same feeling I had on election night! Why is it that this is OK? Who will investigate it and correct it? Or, will it be ignored and the horror, known as Thump, will take over and wreak havoc? What we allow, will continue.

  156. […] And this is within the larger context of numerous mathematical unlikelihoods and irregularities around the nation in this […]

  157. Tom on November 24, 2016 at 12:10 pm

    Thank you Bill, for doing this vital (to our democracy) work. We must reinvent the voting process to find a hack-proof method before 2020. But your work contributes in a major way to identifying the cheating (if not the cheaters) we experienced on November 8th. I hope and pray that the Clinton campaign will challenge the results so some forensic work can be done and the truth can be revealed. Even if we find that Trump really did win, I’ll be happy knowing the truth.

  158. Rita on December 7, 2016 at 12:23 am

    Why can’t we figure out it how was done? I’m sure we all agree it happened, but HOW? Not by speculation but by hard evidence that cannot be disputed. Bush’s second election was obviously manipulated and the same people behind that process are behind this election. They are perfecting their techniques right in front of our eyes and while we all know it is happening we are powerless to how. It is excruciating.

  159. bill on December 13, 2016 at 5:34 am

    The UN monitors elections in other countries why not ours?

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