Everything we know about Jill Stein’s recount effort and Hillary Clinton’s odds of winning

Over the past few days things have been moving so quickly that it’s created an understandable amount of confusion and misinformation with regard to Jill Stein’s recount effort, how and why it’s being funded, what her real motives may be, and whether the end result might end up being that Hillary Clinton becomes President. Even with the ground still shifting and too many unknowns to count, here’s a summation of what we do know so far:

– Despite the well deserved misgivings about Jill Stein’s motivation for leading a recount effort whose only mathematical beneficiary would be Hillary Clinton, this is legit. I’ve consulted with fundraising experts who know the real thing when they see it, and they’re telling me that Stein really is legitimately funding recounts in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, Even if Stein is just doing this to bring attention to herself and her own third party for future benefit, these recounts do happen to help Hillary Clinton.

– Hillary no longer has to decide whether to file for a recount herself by any deadline, because Stein is forcing the recounts it to happen anyway. Hillary can just sit back and let the recounts happen, without having to be the one to assert that the election was rigged.

– Stein has already raised enough money for the recount filing fees in all three states, which she needed to immediately come up with by the state deadlines or abandon the whole thing. Hence her original $2.5 million goal. She’s now raising money for the massive attorney fees that she’ll incur later, hence why she’s now at $5.1 million of a $7 million final goal – which it looks like she’ll reach within another day or two. In other words, all three recounts are happening.

– Losing candidates cannot ask for a recount under Florida law, so there’s no sense petitioning Stein to launch a Florida recount fundraiser. The one person who can order a recount is Florida’s Secretary of State, an obscure figure whom we’re pushing into the national spotlight with a petition. Once he’s facing national pressure and the specter of it becoming a scandal if he says no, maybe he’ll say yes. But don’t count on the Florida recount happening. It’s highly unlikely. Still, you can (and should) sign the petition here.

– Recounts almost certainly will happen in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, and not in Florida. But if those three states all conclude that Hillary Clinton was the real winner in each, that’s the ballgame. She gets those electoral votes, which puts her over 270, and she’s President. It’s that straightforward. But it’s not likely. Even if she had 50-50 odds of winning each recount, it would only give her a 12.5% chance of winning all three. And because Donald Trump will enter all three recounts with slight leads, Hillary probably has less than a 50-50 chance of winning each. So, she has maybe a 5% chance of winning all three recounts? The only way her odds go up, and they’d go up sharply, is if the isolated instances of manually fudging the vote totals in Trump’s favor, which have already been exposed in certain precincts, turn out to have been a more widespread coordinated effort. But seriously, don’t get your hopes up. These recounts are a Hail Mary.

– If Hillary were to win just one or two of the three recounts, she would get those electoral votes, but she’d still fall short of 270. However she would be much closer to 270, meaning that fewer Electors would need to go rogue and flip their vote to her. To be clear: if 270 or more Electors vote for her, she becomes President. But again, the Electoral College is another long shot.

– In light of the extraordinary developments of these past few days, I’ll sum it up this way: the odds are still strongly against Hillary Clinton becoming President. If you’re rooting for Hillary (or simply rooting against Donald Trump), I would advise continuing to fight for her, but not getting your hopes up too high in the process. That said, Hillary has a better chance now than she did when the week began.

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  1. NANCY RATTIGAN on November 25, 2016 at 1:33 pm

    It’s time for every good American to do their part. We know that Trump is not even remotely prepared to be president. Instead of spending hours bitching on the internet, send Stein at least $5 to demand the recount. You’ll be so sorry later if you don’t. Didn’t you work hard and plan on receiving Medicare and Social Security benefits? I did. I want to protect them. I want to provide for health care for everyone. I want education to be available to everyone. Please. Do your part. You’ll be able to hold your head up high when history tells of how we the people stopped the fascist from destroying America. We are still a proud and wonderful country. Thank you.

  2. Patti on November 25, 2016 at 3:17 pm

    Thank you Jill and Rocky !

  3. susan fischer on November 25, 2016 at 4:09 pm

    Soooo…doesn’t this now make him “presumed” president-elect? Isn’t that what the media called Dubya in 2000 after Gore filed a challenge in FL.?

  4. Tracy on November 25, 2016 at 4:36 pm

    thank you. I have been trying to answer these question in the groups I belong to since Stein’s announcement. you summed it up perfectly

  5. Virginia Easterday on November 25, 2016 at 5:36 pm

    What about a North Carolina recount? they had many voting irregularities.

  6. Ferrari Driver on November 25, 2016 at 11:59 pm

    Hillary deserves to be President. She is a woman and isn’t it about time we have a woman President of the United States of America? she has worked for the job for over 30 years and stuck with Bill through all the scandals and that ought to be worth a lot in itself. Granted she had a few problems with emails and all that security stuff, but all she had to do with her travels makes it hard to keep that stuff all straight. Most of us couldn’t even begin to do it.

    One of my neighbors said Hillary flunked the law exam in Washington DC, but that can’t be true because she lived in Arkansas and we all know she is a lawyer and Donald Trump is not a lawyer. He only works in business and I don’t think he is as rich as he says he is either.

    Almost everyone I know here in California voted for Hillary. If they won’t make her the President, we would like to have her in California to be our governor and she would be better than Brown. Way over two million more people in CA voted for Hillary than Trump.

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