Donald Trump is going to prison

Various members of the Resistance have pegged me as optimist for my belief all along that Donald Trump would eventually be ousted from office, while others have pegged me as a pessimist because I’ve said from the start that ousting him would be a long process. So you can take this for whatever you think it’s worth. But as of now, for the first time in all of this, I believe there is a probability that Trump will end up in prison when it’s all said and done.

It was always going to be difficult to prove in legal terms that Donald Trump knew his campaign advisers were colluding with the Russian government to try to impact the outcome of the election, short of one of those advisers testifying that Trump was in on it. So I’ve always believed that Trump would cut some kind of resignation-for-immunity deal once he saw that someone was about to flip on him. But I think we’re past that now, because it’s not just about Russian election collusion anymore.

Trump has committed obstruction for justice on such a blatant and such a widespread level that it makes Richard Nixon’s obstruction look pale in comparison. More importantly, Trump keeps admitting to that obstruction, making it easier to nail him for it legally. And the Special Counsel probe is now pushing into Trump’s finances, which could turn up everything from illegal loans from sanctioned foreign banks to outright money laundering. These crimes are easy to prove based on financial documents; no witnesses needed.

So now that Donald Trump is on the hook for crimes that are much easier to prove, there’s less reason for anyone involved to give him an immunity-for-resignation deal. Whether he’s impeached and removed now, or after the Democrats win the midterms, is a function of how far his approval rating falls based on these new revelations. But once he’s been ousted, I think he’ll stand trial for numerous crimes – and there’s a probability that he’ll end up in prison.


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48 Comments

  1. Karen on June 16, 2017 at 4:54 pm

    Now I ‘get’ why I like reading your stuff immediately!! You’re writing what I want to ‘hear.’ *chuckle* And, it makes me glad that my activism, via direction fromKeith Olberman on Maher, added to the ‘vote’ if even only for a tiny fraction.

    Watched Nixon [Oliver]yesterday….pale in comparison…you’re so right. Colson got religion…do you think there is any redemption w/ the duck? Or is he way, way, too ‘out there’ for consciousness-raising?? etc etc.

  2. Claudia on June 16, 2017 at 4:56 pm

    Yes I am in agreement!
    But I do hope they just don’t let him off for anything!
    Let it happen next week!
    My good for early Christmas is waddling pretty good!😆

  3. JOEL W ARNOLD on June 16, 2017 at 5:10 pm

    Please let it be so!! As former POTUS, will he be given a choice of jail cells and allowed to keep his Tweet phone?

  4. Brett on June 16, 2017 at 5:12 pm

    If he can definitively connect other high-ranking Republicans to the scandal and take down the likes of Ryan or McConnell, there may be an offer on the table. And, if it all come to fruition, I’ll throw him a parade after he takes them down.

    • Amanda on June 16, 2017 at 6:22 pm

      I’ll be at the parade too, I won’t be able to stop smiling for weeks!

  5. Mick Burke on June 16, 2017 at 5:14 pm

    Many-many months ago the online bookies, PaddyPower, were taking bets on which of Trumps’ kids would be the first change their surname and also, which would be the first to flee the country. The payout would have been massive, I wonder if anyone took those bets?

    • Mary Berry on June 16, 2017 at 7:28 pm

      I don’t think any of the Trump family will be spared this investigation will include them too, perhaps the only ones who may be innocent is Barron and Tiffany

  6. Candace Love on June 16, 2017 at 5:24 pm

    This is breath-taking. It reminds me of how the seemingly unstoppable Al Capone was finally brought down – Tax Evasion. Really, you do not want to mess with the Tax Man.

  7. C Georgeson on June 16, 2017 at 5:41 pm

    Thanks for the article Bill Palmer. Just after he took office, I read something supposedly from a CIA person, that he would die in prison. I think he is not only going to prison but I believe the largest crime is going to be treason, for this reason I think he will be removed. So I believe I win on the optimism scale. 🙂 – if you can look at that has a win.

  8. Pavane on June 16, 2017 at 5:49 pm

    Without going into my sadness and horror over what Mr. Trump and his merry band of sycophant Republicans are doing to destroy the arts, science, education, civil rights, consumer protections, the enviroment, health care, women, minorities, the middle class and the poor, just to name some … your notion is fascinating, Bill.

    Weirdly, Trump going to jail might calm this country down a bit.

    His supporters would be deflated, if not utterly over him. For others, the act of a corrupt, rich politician FINALLY getting punished could go a long way to feeling that some sense of justice has been restored. And for the many who have been traumatized – emotionally and otherwise – from his presidency, well, they can begin to heal.

    Also, with Trump out of office and jailed, perhaps the bad examples he projected due to his malignant character and its vicious impact on this country will also fade. Perhaps a more civil discourse will follow.

    Maybe.

    • Steve on June 16, 2017 at 8:55 pm

      Pavane, that’s optimistic. His cult followers will riot in the streets and say he was framed.

    • greg on June 17, 2017 at 11:57 am

      Awsome breakdown!

  9. Mona L.Hollums on June 16, 2017 at 5:49 pm

    Almost makes you wonder if he’s less afraid of federal prison than he’d be someplace where Putin can get at him.

  10. Pam Manabe on June 16, 2017 at 5:59 pm

    Thank you palmer! You have helped me keep my perspective during this travesty!

  11. Ravenken on June 16, 2017 at 6:03 pm

    The thing that upsets me, is that we have banking laws that if I deposit over 10k$ within one week I am automatically being ‘checked out’… he’s trump dealing in 100’s of millions with sanctioned banks and we let this guy run for president. WTF? How come our intel agencies dropped the ball on this so bad? People have known that trump was compromised for a long time and yet our intel agencies did nothing and let this clown run for the highest office in the country. What’s up with that? I can’t wait to have those hearings.

  12. roger rabbit on June 16, 2017 at 6:16 pm

    I have felt since from as early as last summer that Trump was eventually headed for the big house. The signs were becoming evident but few in the media were actually paying attention. I feel even more confident now that we’ll see the big orange in orange.

  13. Coda on June 16, 2017 at 6:18 pm

    The founding fathers are smiling.

  14. Rapas Ulsio on June 16, 2017 at 7:48 pm

    If the Republican congress were to impeach, convict, and remove the Republican president, I’d think they’d want to be sure that he would be headed to prison shortly after that. Trump is vindictive enough that anyone responsible for removing him from office should want him somewhere that he couldn’t phone Fox News each morning or send tweets.

  15. Sara Jones on June 16, 2017 at 8:37 pm

    Don’t Screw with the F-ing B I.

  16. Merrill on June 16, 2017 at 8:54 pm

    Has anyone explained to trump that in jail, there is no Twitter? And….according to Gingrich, only Democratic Presidents can obstruct justice.

  17. Noreen Wilde on June 16, 2017 at 9:16 pm

    I don’t think for a second that the government will put him in prison. They won’t charge him or prosecute him, and they’ll say it’s because of age and ill health. I think the best outcome would be for him to flee the country. That might be best for making his rabid followers crawl back under their rocks.

    It’s sad, because I agree with a previous comment that prosecuting and imprisoning DT would go a long way to restoring confidence in the system, and jump start the healing process. I just don’t think it will happen. I hope that I am wrong, because letting important people thumb their noses at the law and get away with it time after time weakens our society and faith in the legal system.

    • Claudia on June 17, 2017 at 8:13 pm

      Oh I do. They will have to do all they can, and if they don’t then there is New York.

      All this and for what, tax payer will be screaming, and if they can do it so will others.
      That’s why they will, they will make them examples.
      They all have done so much h go collaspe our democracy or try to, so yes I believe they will.
      I hope they loose every penny.

  18. Eric C. Forat on June 16, 2017 at 9:17 pm

    I hope that if he gets a complete breakdown, the reps won’t pack him to an asylum and say they didn’t know he was crazy…

  19. Ann Day Lawrence on June 16, 2017 at 9:28 pm

    And I still believe it’s because Barack Obama got the better of him whenever Trump tried to take him down. Trump never got over his being elected president, the press dinner or his utter success as a president. Never. Trump’s jealousy and racism will be his downfall.

  20. Squeezy the Pension Python on June 16, 2017 at 9:38 pm

    What’s to stop Pence, once he is sworn in, from giving Trump a blanket pardon? That’s what Ford did for Nixon.

    • Bill Palmer on June 17, 2017 at 6:26 pm

      Because it destroyed Ford’s presidency in one fell swoop. Pence would be disinclined to make that same mistake.

    • ankh on June 17, 2017 at 9:56 pm

      That’s exactly the scenario that’s been in my mind. I can see the Repubs making a last-ditch attempt to ensure passing their agenda by pushing Trump out, swearing Pence in, then Pence does a Gerald Ford and pardons Trump.

  21. Pence is complicit on June 16, 2017 at 10:10 pm

    Lock him up!

  22. Russ Abbott on June 17, 2017 at 12:08 am

    Why do you think he will not issue a blanket pardon for himself?

  23. Danny on June 17, 2017 at 1:06 am

    call me clairvoyant, but I’ve know TRUMP was going to prison from the night of November 11th 2016. Pegged it! The thing I can’t understand is how slow the gold handcuffs take to make. Maybe they’re working on the rest who will join Trump behind bars! All of them… The whole administration belongs there.

  24. Yuki Taga on June 17, 2017 at 2:56 am

    Trump has zero chance of ending up in prison if he’s impeached. Zero.

    Why? Because the next president would be a Republican. And I guarantee you that *any* Republican who replaces Trump will follow the precedent set by Gerald Ford with Nixon, and grant a pardon.

    The only way to avoid that is to let this disaster continue to January of 2021, and replace him then with a Democrat, via the electoral process … who will NOT pardon him.

    So flip the House on its head in 2018, please. Stymie Trump at every opportunity, please. But don’t give him an absolute Get Out Of Jail Free card, if jail is where you want him to end up. Removing him from office in such a way that a Republican succeeds him will do exactly that.

    Think about it. The claim will be “this is healing”. This is “moving on”. And of course this is also “hanging on to his base” at the next election. He’d be pardoned. Take it to the bank.

    • Bill Palmer on June 17, 2017 at 6:22 pm

      Gerald Ford’s presidency was washed up the minute he pardoned Nixon. It was one of the biggest strategic mistakes in the history of politics, and now everyone knows the consequences. It’s doubtful Mike Pence, or whoever ends up taking Trump’s place, would be willing to commit similar political suicide just to help Trump out of a jam. They’re all too selfish for that.

      • Yuki Taga on June 17, 2017 at 7:41 pm

        It’s often read that way, but I would say incorrectly so. Carter, by the way, won fewer EC votes than Trump. 😃 I would argue that while it certainly factored, with some, it was much more the general state of the economy that did Ford in. Carter also came with that “fresh, honest face”, and he was obviously Ford’s better intellectually — he was a very articulate nuclear engineer. Carter was, for the past 50 years at least, the original “change” candidate. I don’t think Bob Dole helped Ford, either.

        As for the “selfish” part … as I originally said, a pardon would tend to pacify, and help retain, Trump’s base. So in that sense the pardon becomes “selfish”. Try running as a Republican for president with Trump’s base staying home.

        • Yuki Taga on June 17, 2017 at 7:54 pm

          Think about it, Bill. You’re a Republican, and Trump’s unpardoned, and in criminal jeopardy. You want to win a term on your own. You’re *not* going to get Democrats to vote for you no matter *what* you do. They’re *not* going to vote for you. So you have to hold on to Trump’s base. They are your *only* chance, even if it’s not a great chance. You pardon as early as possible, like Ford did, and then you hope for a better economy, which is what motivates most at the polls.

          • Bill Palmer on June 17, 2017 at 10:53 pm

            If Pence pardons Trump, he’s immediately 100% finished, period. Pence isn’t that stupid.



  25. Francis on June 17, 2017 at 3:40 am

    Upcoming (I think): #Trump, meet Bus, Bus, meet Trump! Repeat 5 times to make sure of desired effect. We were made aware of existing “Compromat” months ago, it was always lurking out there… and there can only be *one* real source: Putin.

    This week the Senate has, wittingly or unwittingly (??), marched D.J. Trump out onto the quadrangle to face Putin’s “Firing Squad”.

    Donald is no longer an asset to Putin. The Bus is speeding up… MeThinks Donald had better carefully weigh that offer by Putin for *Political* Asylum, which Comey does NOT need, but Trump will need it or indeed end up in jail

    Will it be MAGA-dan Oblast?

  26. CynnieLu on June 17, 2017 at 10:46 am

    I think if anything lands him in jail, it will be RICO convictions and income tax fraud. I don’t care what does it, just put him away.

  27. Matt on June 17, 2017 at 12:18 pm

    Even if found guilty of treason and obstruction of justice and whatever else they can charge him with and charge him with all of his followers will still be blaming Obama Hillary and the “Libtards”

    Odds are instead of spending time where he should in a federal penitentiary he’s probably going to end up at Club Med with a nice room a nice view a nice bed and nice food he should be locked up in a 4×4 cell with one window overlooking a golf course just to drive him nuts

  28. Steve on June 17, 2017 at 1:13 pm

    He’ll be pardoned by Pence or Ryan.

  29. JOHN HERLING on June 17, 2017 at 1:43 pm

    Lock him up! Lock him up!

  30. General Snark on June 17, 2017 at 5:26 pm

    He’ll wind up in his 5th Avenue condo. Tried, convicted, pardoned by Pence.

  31. Robert Van den Bosch on June 17, 2017 at 10:31 pm

    At the beginning of his so-called presidency, after the Human Cesspool had grossly insulted the intelligence community by suggesting they were incompetent, corrupt and akin to Nazis, he made nice by making a speech at CIA headquarters that was all about ME-ME-ME. This was in front of the wall honoring the CIA’s fallen. He brought a claque along to applaud ME-ME-ME.

    Shortly thereafter, I read in a publication I trust (I’ll look it up if you insist) a quote from an anonymous intelligence officer: “He’s going to die in jail.” I believed him.

    • Yuki Taga on June 17, 2017 at 11:25 pm

      Bill writes:

      “If Pence pardons Trump, he’s immediately 100% finished, period. Pence isn’t that stupid.”

      Probably cannot be proven either way. Because Pence is likely to be finished, regardless. In the case that he does pardon, we’ll likely have something to debate, but nothing likely we can prove.

      The contention that Ford lost the ’76 election based on the pardon has been well debunked, however. Yes, it thoroughly pissed off many. But I was around then, and the pardon was far from the main thing, especially 2 years after Ford granted it.

      It was, as much or *more* than anything, stuff like the absolutely clownish WIN buttons (Whip Inflation Now) which highlighted what many suspected: that Ford didn’t have an economic clue in his head. Inflation was really biting hard, and *nobody* thought the damn buttons would do anything to alleviate it.

      I could even make an argument that without someone with a strong southern accent running against him, Ford sweeps in historic proportion. He won *everything* west of the 95th meridian save (secessionist) Texas. Very difficult to argue, IMHO, that with a northern or western Democrat running instead of Carter, Ford holds onto Nixon’s “southern strategy”, and wins going away. People forget (or weren’t born yet) about how clownish Ford was being portrayed back then. Chevy Chase was taking pratfalls as Ford (who was actually a good athlete who made some unfortunate on camera stumbles) on SNL.

      I think you discount how much Americans like “healing”, be it faux healing or genuine healing. The aftermath of that baseball game in DC … a perfect example.

      Being a Liberal myself, I think Trump should be left to rot in office. Impede the hell out of him for sure, then let Al Franken *crush* him in 2020. Then we can jail his ass. 🤣

      • Yuki Taga on June 17, 2017 at 11:37 pm

        I accidentally typed “very difficult to argue” above, when in fact my point was that it would be very *easy* to argue.

        Changed my construction in mid-sentence.

        Mea culpa

  32. Karla Cole on June 17, 2017 at 10:56 pm

    While I’d love to see the orange man in orange, there are too many vile men in the line of succession that would pardon him.

  33. Francis on June 18, 2017 at 2:27 pm

    Instead of wondering if any Pardons will be forthcoming, if it will be an Impeachment or it will be the 25th that is used to oust Trump…

    … I’d soo much prefer the November 2016 Election results “simply” being invalidated! No more need for GOP to Impeach, or for the Cabinet to invoke the 25th!: Donald never was (P)Resident. Better yet: not a hope in h*ll for ANY pardons: they would be Post Ex Facto.

    OK, so you have no mechanisms in place to do just this, that would be the longest of long shots? Well: make them up as you go along, that is how Legal Precedents begin is it not? Florida reminds us that courts *can* get involved into election results! Take it to the next level 🙂

    • Yuki Taga on June 18, 2017 at 7:54 pm

      A) It’s simply not going to happen.

      B) In the “Giant asteroid strikes Earth” chance that it even began, we would likely be well past the 2020 election before anything was decided.

      I mean, I hate to be the “downer” here. But I’m nothing if not a realist. 😂

  34. Cat on June 20, 2017 at 12:42 pm

    He would probably be pardoned immediately after leaving office like Nixon was.
    The curious thing to me is why he didn’t just pardon Flynn. Do you think he actually believed that if the Flynn inquiry were dropped that the collusion investigation would end? That’s the only logical explanation I can think of

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